Open 741: Red Flag [Endgame]

[Blackjacks]

UNVOTE:

[Keyser Söze]

YOU THINK LACKING READS ON DAY TWO IS A TOWNTELL ARE YOU FUCKING WITH ME

Please dont overreact.

I didn’t say it was a rule for EVERY player. I was talking about my read on BJ.

Look at BJ’s strong pushes on D1, and his subsequent loss of faith in his reads.

[Clemency]

Well shit I take it back

I take it ALL BACK

I don’t have any reads now! I don’t want to play! Am I town now?

it works when i do it

[Keyser Söze]

Well shit I take it back

I take it ALL BACK

I don’t have any reads now! I don’t want to play! Am I town now?

Congrats LolWagons for improving the mood.

What you are doing is anti town / scummy

[Keyser Söze]

Oh my god you people

What’s the point sorting through your null reads if they’re all still null

Please talk about my reads, don’t undermine them.
Are these players nullish to you?

Thanks

Not saying your reads are bad saying you told us you were going to sort through them which I think understandably gave us the expectation they’d be something other than null. In a game starved of content that’d be a welcome addition.

Ceejay lurked as town but was on all the right wagons and he wound up being town. He was, qualitatively, more engaged last game I played with him as town. I don’t think his play here is as engaged so I have him tilt scum.

Clemency is playing how I figured he would. He’s a tough read but if there was a gun to my head I’d say town.

@lolwagons - discussion of players that I wanted to sort led to this post by you so STFU

[Blackjacks]

VOTE: gamma

Subject: Micro 754: Shut Up and Vote II: Electric Boogaloo [Game Ove]

[Playername] has had an opportunity to react to [Event] but they haven't. This strikes me as scummy.

1) she would see it as an imperative to play disruption on me if she were town
2) she has consistently been a power player in her town games and has done little here
3) i think you guys underestimate just how scummy it is that she decided volxen was scum before he posted and stuck with the read after

4) and most importantly she just

feels

scum. and i thought she was obvtown in the game i played with her and i immediately locktowned her both times i spectated town her. she's not hard to read.

[Blackjacks]

that being said this is kind of a small thing and I only noticed it now because people brought attention to gamma. I'm not super excited by default about the prospect of sheeping mastina's meta guilty

I'm still townreading pin but I'd like to hear rc's theory, I hope it's interesting because we're super bored

[LolWagons]

Reacting strongly to crazy reads is scummy but throwing up your arms and going “damn lol I pushed d1 now I’m just so darn tiyarrrrrrrd” is a fresh-fucking-green pasture towntell

OkAy

[Blackjacks]

Even my hydra partner is Lurking.

[Blackjacks]

Sorry I'll let you two go back to flaming each other

[LolWagons]

that being said this is kind of a small thing and I only noticed it now because people brought attention to gamma. I'm not super excited by default about the prospect of sheeping mastina's meta guilty

I'm still townreading pin but I'd like to hear rc's theory, I hope it's interesting because we're super bored

Luckily I wrote up a whole post on how his whole presence this game has been self-defense and active lurking so you can sheep that if you feel better

[Blackjacks]

his meta is super active-lurky, and my secondhand information is that he's actually less active-lurky as scum on average?

this one is interesting though because he was just in a game with me so I'd think he would actually have something to say about a case based on me acting different than my town meta

[LolWagons]

his meta is super active-lurky, and my secondhand information is that he's actually less active-lurky as scum on average?

this one is interesting though because he was just in a game with me so I'd think he would actually have something to say about a case based on me acting different than my town meta

He’s literally gone like 90 posts with about 5 worth of content. I’d be really surprised on a town flip.

[Blackjacks]

We did that too I think

[Keyser Söze]

Reacting strongly to crazy reads is scummy but throwing up your arms and going “damn lol I pushed d1 now I’m just so darn tiyarrrrrrrd” is a fresh-fucking-green pasture towntell

OkAy

I read tone, that’s my thing. Believable shifts in WIM is very indicative IMO.

[LolWagons]

sheep us!

vote volxen

In that one post you’re probably more engaged with town than Gamma has been

[LolWagons]

Reacting strongly to crazy reads is scummy but throwing up your arms and going “damn lol I pushed d1 now I’m just so darn tiyarrrrrrrd” is a fresh-fucking-green pasture towntell

OkAy

I read tone, that’s my thing. Believable shifts in WIM is very indicative IMO.

You don’t think that kind of thing is easily fakable by scum? If it worked for you in the past more power to you but I can’t wrap my mind around less transparency and activity being a towntell.

MAYBE a PR tell but there aren’t any in this game so

Also I’m not even disagreeing with your read, I just think out of all the things to pull to support it that came off as super contrived

[LolWagons]

Also sorry for “overreacting” but sometimes throwing hissy fits spurs activity. I’m hoping people will skim the thread and see the caps lock and actually become interested

[Keyser Söze]

Reacting strongly to crazy reads is scummy but throwing up your arms and going “damn lol I pushed d1 now I’m just so darn tiyarrrrrrrd” is a fresh-fucking-green pasture towntell

OkAy

I read tone, that’s my thing. Believable shifts in WIM is very indicative IMO.

You don’t think that kind of thing is easily fakable by scum? If it worked for you in the past more power to you but I can’t wrap my mind around less transparency and activity being a towntell.

MAYBE a PR tell but there aren’t any in this game so

Also I’m not even disagreeing with your read, I just think out of all the things to pull to support it that came off as super contrived

“Fakeable”? Probably not for BJ’s D1 trajectories.

If BJ had tiptoed softly yesterday making no ripples, then yes, resetting to ‘GOT NO READS’ on D2 may have been more easier to fake.

Plus, you didn’t have the first hand advantage of posting in real time yesterday with BJ.

[LolWagons]

Reacting strongly to crazy reads is scummy but throwing up your arms and going “damn lol I pushed d1 now I’m just so darn tiyarrrrrrrd” is a fresh-fucking-green pasture towntell

OkAy

I read tone, that’s my thing. Believable shifts in WIM is very indicative IMO.

You don’t think that kind of thing is easily fakable by scum? If it worked for you in the past more power to you but I can’t wrap my mind around less transparency and activity being a towntell.

MAYBE a PR tell but there aren’t any in this game so

Also I’m not even disagreeing with your read, I just think out of all the things to pull to support it that came off as super contrived

“Fakeable”? Probably not for BJ’s D1 trajectories.

If BJ had tiptoed softly yesterday making no ripples, then yes, resetting to ‘GOT NO READS’ on D2 may have been more easier to fake.

Plus, you didn’t have the first hand advantage of posting in real time yesterday with BJ.

Eh. I disagree, but it’s less contrived than I initially thought so whatever.

[Keyser Söze]

It’s just gone 2:10am here, will look at Gamma and Firebringer slot tomorrow.

[Aster]

Thus, living or death would be a determinable factor in scumteam composition. I die, scumteam is players I don't know but doesn't matter because I am dead. I live, scumteam is made up at least partially of players who have good reason to believe that I can safely be left alive.

Are you seriously claiming you believe your surface reputation to be sufficiently bad that any scumteam that doesn't know you well enough is guaranteed to kill you? I mean, that fits within the description of "vain, narcissistic, egotistical bitch", but I'm not sure that it is even possible to actually believe that. (Also, doesn't your belief that "you can safely be left alive" conflict with your supposedly otherwise overflowing self-confidence?)

This really makes me wonder what made you feel so pressured to send your contributions to the mod.

Simple, really.
I am a vain, narcissistic, egotistical bitch.
I sent the analysis to northsidegal immediately after my offer to replace in, on Sunday; I typed out the post I entered with on Monday after I got home from work, that was based on the one I sent on Sunday. There was no grander purpose other than satiating my inner desire to be right.

Well, that explains a lot. Particularly the previous point, but this point not so much.

Is it common for you to send your contributions to the mod overnight? In my limited experience on mafiascum.net, I haven't heard of players doing it before. Have you done it before? Even if I were to feel extremenly narcisstic, it seems quite a leap for me to just start sending barely thought-through hunches to the mod.

Provided that you were to get killed tonight and flip town, there would be nothing preventing you from posting you message verbatim in the dead thread yourself.

Uh.
That message wasn't written for me being killed tonight.
I already know now that I've lived that I ain't being nightkilled for the rest of the game.
If it was going to happen, it was going to happen

last

night. Which was what the message was typed for.
I knew I had two possible fates this game.

EBWOP my quote to "last night". If you were to get killed

last night

and flipped town, there would be nothing preventing you from posting the message verbatim in the dead thread yourself. My point still stands.

[northsidegal]

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