Excalibur [Endgame]

[Dunnstral]

My reads:

Nancy
Chara
Varsoon

-- Lynch Line --

Gamma
Penguin

[Chara]

thanks Dunn. need a few more of these.

in the interest of being fair, here are mine:

Dunnstral
Gamma
Nancy
Varsoon
Penguin

[Gamma Emerald]

LLD was town tho what ~ Gamma

So?

So what point are you making about whose alignment????

You were the one who referenced LLD’s alignment, which is irrelevant to what I was saying.

So, I wanted to know why you thought otherwise?

Because I thought you were trying to make relevant conversation, like a sane human being? I feel like you’re trying to gaslight me here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hypocrite much?

For someone who has me as their #1 “independent” townread, I’m not getting good vibes from your recent posting.

We only need to figure out 2/3 of the remaining scumteam. I don’t know about Dunn but I think you’re either pocketing him ot you’re w/w.

Samething probably goes for Penguin.

What is becoming really obvious to me, is how town!you is blatant obvtown and if you’re not blatant obvtown, likely chance you’re not. I’m also not just saying this because of POE. If I was convinced I was seeing obvtown Chara here, I would have already eliminated you from my POE.

i don't understand what's hypocritical in the bolded. i asked about Varsoon because

i'd missed you earlier saying he was your number 1 townread.

i asked Gamma about other players because he'd only talked about Kokichi and Dunnstral.

Don’t misrep me. #1 AFTER Kokichi, that would mean, #2 but tbf, #2 & 3, are pretty damn close rn. Varsoon, by play and Gamma both by play and negative associative reads.

[Nancy Drew 39]

For someone who has me as their #1 “independent” townread, I’m not getting good vibes from your recent posting.

i'll be honest here Nancy. this is pissing me off. in half of your posts directed towards me you mention that you're my number 1 townread, with independent in scare quotes. what kind of point are you making here? the hell does my read on you even have to do with the vibes you're getting from my posts?
why do you keep snarkily bringing it up? if you don't buy that it's true, just say that.

Because your posting isn’t adding up.

[Nancy Drew 39]

this may be surprising to hear, but you

are not

my number one TR anymore. i haven't said so explicitly but you have not been since you reminded me of Overkill. i've said this.

If you were hoping to change my mind on my read on you, you just blew it.

Doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on you being scum here.

No way town!Chara ever makes this post.

No way in hell is my play here, even remotely similar to Overkill 1.

You are not town here and this post, proves it.

Anyone who sincerely believes that there is any world where, my play here is similar to that game, please ISO me and then also tell me, if anyone who doesn’t have reading comprehension issues, could seriously ever think this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

this may be surprising to hear, but you

are not

my number one TR anymore.

i haven't said so explicitly but you have not been since you reminded me of Overkill. i've said this

.

If you were hoping to change my mind on my read on you, you just blew it.

Doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on you being scum here.

No way town!Chara ever makes this post.

No way in hell is my play here, even remotely similar to Overkill 1.

You are not town here and this post, proves it.

Anyone who sincerely believes that there is any world where, my play here is similar to that game, please ISO me and then also tell me, if anyone who doesn’t have reading comprehension issues, could seriously ever think this.

Overkill 1, just to be clear.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If you're not saying that I led her to do that then I don't understand why you're bringing up LLD in the first place

I’m saying, she made it a point of referencing your comment, when making her decision to gladiate Maria.

Why does that matter though

She obviously thought she was mindmelding with you on Maria possibly being scum. It

matters

, because she at least partially based her gladiate on it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Here’s my tinfoil theory. Scum figured out Maria was really Merlin and is trying to frame Kokichi for it but it’s blatantly obvious that Maria knew he was Merlin, or she 100% would have exposed him

So, scum might be someone who wanted to get him mislynched and kill me, the next obvtown tonight.

So, who, figured it out? That’s likely scum.

But It’s not hard, we remove us from the pile and you then have Dunn, Gamma and Penguin and Chara, right?

So,we force 2 of those 4 to gladiate today.

HURT: Penguin

why isn't Varsoon in this post?

I’m town, so my strongest townread is Varsoon?

forgot about this. so Varsoon is your strongest townread, which is why he wasn't mentioned.

also, context. they're literally right next to each other.

In Overkill 1, even if I had been town, I would have townread you - even without RC obvtowning it. Nothing you posted throughout the entire game would have ever remotely pinged town!me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

We only need to figure out 2/3 of the remaining scumteam. I don’t know about Dunn but I think you’re either pocketing him ot you’re w/w.

Samething probably goes for Penguin.

where is Penguin pocketing Dunnstral, being likely w/w with Dunnstral, or even doing anything comparable to my posting?

Dunn town

. Kokichi town.

Chara - why the null/loose scum read on me? Atypical.

Only one game with Varsoon, and he was less active there so I can't read him well based on that.

Gamma is gamma. Don't really know Nancy.

Chara

/Varsoon/Gamma/Nancy has the scum.

thanks Dunn. need a few more of these.

in the interest of being fair, here are mine:

Dunnstral

Gamma
Nancy
Varsoon

Penguin

Both you and Penguin, have Dunn as your top town.

Even more intriguing, is that you BOTH have the other one has your top sr.

Does this mean we can expect to see a Chara/Penguin gladiate today?

[Nancy Drew 39]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=4750


I want to invite ANYONE with their faculties intact, to please honestly tell me, whether my posting in THIS game, reminds you in anyway of the above, or the games below.


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=2750


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31829


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31062


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31062

[Nancy Drew 39]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=4750


I want to invite ANYONE with their faculties intact, to please honestly tell me, whether my posting in THIS game, reminds you in anyway of the above, or the games below.


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=2750


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31829


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31062


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31062

In Overkill 1, I hydra’d with both Toranga (Nancy Drew Shogunate) and MathBlade (RightKnight). In YGM, I hydra’d with RadiantCowbells. In CoH, I hydra’d with the ducky/the worst (snuggly quackdrew 39).

[Nancy Drew 39]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=4750


I want to invite ANYONE with their faculties intact, to please honestly tell me, whether my posting in THIS game, reminds you in anyway of the above, or the games below.


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=2750


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31829


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31062


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31062

In Overkill 1, I hydra’d with both Toranga (Nancy Drew Shogunate) and MathBlade (RightKnight). In YGM, I hydra’d with RadiantCowbells. In CoH, I hydra’d with the ducky/the worst (snuggly quackdrew 39).

Oops, forgot RC hydra, was called Celestial Coordinates.


*Faculties intact* =

town

.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i actually forgot you were in Overkill. or that you were SK in it.
now that i'm reminded, hi. i still forgot.

How would you forget a game that recent?

But okay, why do you ask for a link to a scumgame from your #1 “independent” townread?

I don’t see why UT green flip, ought to affect that.

Do you have familiarity with Penguin’s, Dunn’s, Gamma’s, Varsoon’s scumgames, and if so, how recent were any of them?

Also, why are you so convinced Maria’s read on Dunn is correct, when she wrongly scumread 3/4 players?

NK15 doesn’t count and no one gets towncred for scumreading that slot. He obviously volunteered to eat a lynch. Had he any intention of surviving, he would have gladiated, UT/Penguin over Sir Cakes. NK lynch was clearly a voluntary scum-coordinated effort.

1)

i have a bad memory.

2) i explained this.

3) it doesn't. also answered this before.

4) the only one i remember is Dunnstral. it was recent, we were scum together.

5) Maria's record of reading Dunn specifically is really really good. she's been right in every game i've been with them together.

like. i have a really, really bad memory. i want to stress that. i forget my own reads in games i'm currently in and have to reread my own ISO.

this may be surprising to hear, but you

are not

my number one TR anymore. i haven't said so explicitly but

you have not been since you reminded me of Overkill. i've said this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i actually forgot you were in Overkill. or that you were SK in it.
now that i'm reminded, hi. i still forgot.

How would you forget a game that recent?

But okay, why do you ask for a link to a scumgame from your #1 “independent” townread?

I don’t see why UT green flip, ought to affect that.

Do you have familiarity with Penguin’s, Dunn’s, Gamma’s, Varsoon’s scumgames, and if so, how recent were any of them?

Also, why are you so convinced Maria’s read on Dunn is correct, when she wrongly scumread 3/4 players?

NK15 doesn’t count and no one gets towncred for scumreading that slot. He obviously volunteered to eat a lynch. Had he any intention of surviving, he would have gladiated, UT/Penguin over Sir Cakes. NK lynch was clearly a voluntary scum-coordinated effort.

1)

i have a bad memory.

2) i explained this.

3) it doesn't. also answered this before.

4) the only one i remember is Dunnstral. it was recent, we were scum together.

5) Maria's record of reading Dunn specifically is really really good. she's been right in every game i've been with them together.

like. i have a really, really bad memory. i want to stress that. i forget my own reads in games i'm currently in and have to reread my own ISO.

this may be surprising to hear, but you

are not

my number one TR anymore. i haven't said so explicitly but

you have not been since you reminded me of Overkill. i've said this.

Do you seriously think we’re all idiots here, Chara?

Spoiler:

And fwiw, you are one of my favourite people on this site and truly sorry if I’m “pissing you off”, because I happen to think you replaced into a scumslot. I still really like you a lot and greatly respect you as a person and your play. <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

Do you dispute that LLD used that comment of yours to at least partially, justify her Maria gladiate or not?

i can assume Dunn's position on your readslist has to do with this comment here.

spinning an action LLD made of her own volition as some kind of manip from Dunn, because he had the utter

gall

to not be 100% certain of Maria's alignment on day 1?
it's reaching.

however, your snarky reaction to my townread on you (and the subsequent deterioration of that townread as you continued to talk with me that way) is pretty towny. it's only scum you if scum you is foolish enough to be picking a fight with me that you think you could win, and if i'm the only option for a mislynch.

it means if you're scum then your partners have to be Gamma and Penguin. otherwise you'd be going after them over me. i'll keep that in mind even though i don't want to lynch you right now. in that scenario you don't feel you can go back on that Varsoon townread.
there's another scenario where Penguin is town too and you would like to lynch there or me, and it means Varsoon's scum with you. don't know how i feel about that right now, honestly, but still leaning no.

most likely to me is still that Penguin is scum who's trying to coast and wait for town (me, possibly you) to bite each other's heads off. i'm conscious of that possibility, and that's why i need Penguin and Gamma to get their heads in the game if either of them are town. if not, i'm happy to lynch them.

Wrt the bolded, I really do NOT appreciate your misrep. I never “spun” ANYTHING. I pointed it out - SOLELY because LLD referenced it. I find your unwarranted shade on me, concerning.

On the (what looks to me rn based on your most recent posts) the higly unlikely chance that I’m wrong here - because how else, do you account for deliberately mischaracterizing my play in Overkill 1, with THIS one - a game, you apparently can’t even freaking REMEMBER?

Wrt to Dunn’s position on my readslist, more to do with negative associations with VC (your predecessor) and Gamma. Also, Varsoon has expressed suspicion of Dunn, while you and Penguin both have him as your top town.

The significant of that is, it doesn’t appear that Gamma is linked with either Dunn/you/Penguin.

Varsoon doesn’t appear to be linked with Dunn or Penguin.

And no, I’m not ignoring the possibility of distancing, it just doesn’t seem like it to me.

However, between you, Penguin and Dunn, I’m the most iffy on him, because - as I’ve said before, I’m not sure if you and Penguin are pocketing him or if you’re w/w. But it really doesn’t matter, if we lynch correctly today, why?

Because if Dunn is town here, then he should logically be the next scumkill, right?

If I am or really bizarrely Gamma//Varsoon is, then something weird may be going on. In any case, I can’t see any sense in a Dunn lynch today.

I’m okay with lynching Penguin. But rn, you are my most confident scumread and unless yoi can show me why Penguin has higher scum equity than you, I’d rather lynch you, because obviously I don’t want us to lose the game. Duh.

But CONVINCE me to lynch Penguin. And I’ll alter my reads order.


Oh and fyi, if I’m scum here, it’s with DVa, Fire and Auro.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Do you dispute that LLD used that comment of yours to at least partially, justify her Maria gladiate or not?

i can assume Dunn's position on your readslist has to do with this comment here.

spinning an action LLD made of her own volition as some kind of manip from Dunn, because he had the utter

gall

to not be 100% certain of Maria's alignment on day 1?
it's reaching.

however, your snarky reaction to my townread on you (and the subsequent deterioration of that townread as you continued to talk with me that way) is pretty towny. it's only scum you if scum you is foolish enough to be picking a fight with me that you think you could win, and if i'm the only option for a mislynch.

it means if you're scum then your partners have to be Gamma and Penguin. otherwise you'd be going after them over me. i'll keep that in mind even though i don't want to lynch you right now. in that scenario you don't feel you can go back on that Varsoon townread.
there's another scenario where Penguin is town too and you would like to lynch there or me, and it means Varsoon's scum with you. don't know how i feel about that right now, honestly, but still leaning no.

most likely to me is still that Penguin is scum who's trying to coast and wait for town (me, possibly you) to bite each other's heads off. i'm conscious of that possibility, and that's why i need Penguin and Gamma to get their heads in the game if either of them are town. if not, i'm happy to lynch them.

Wrt the bolded, I really do NOT appreciate your misrep. I never “spun” ANYTHING. I pointed it out - SOLELY because LLD referenced it. I find your unwarranted shade on me, concerning.

On the (what looks to me rn based on your most recent posts) the higly unlikely chance that I’m wrong here - because how else, do you account for deliberately mischaracterizing my play in Overkill 1, with THIS one - a game, you apparently can’t even freaking REMEMBER?

Wrt to Dunn’s position on my readslist, more to do with negative associations with VC (your predecessor) and Gamma. Also, Varsoon has expressed suspicion of Dunn, while you and Penguin both have him as your top town.

The significant of that is, it doesn’t appear that Gamma is linked with either Dunn/you/Penguin.

Varsoon doesn’t appear to be linked with Dunn or Penguin.

And no, I’m not ignoring the possibility of distancing, it just doesn’t seem like it to me.

However, between you, Penguin and Dunn, I’m the most iffy on him, because - as I’ve said before, I’m not sure if you and Penguin are pocketing him or if you’re w/w. But it really doesn’t matter, if we lynch correctly today, why?

Because if Dunn is town here, then he should logically be the next scumkill, right?

If I am or really bizarrely Gamma//Varsoon is, then something weird may be going on. In any case, I can’t see any sense in a Dunn lynch today.

I’m okay with lynching Penguin. But rn, you are my most confident scumread and unless you can show me why Penguin has higher scum equity than you, I’d rather lynch you, because obviously I don’t want us to lose the game. Duh.

But CONVINCE me to lynch Penguin. And I’ll alter my reads order.


Oh and fyi, if I’m scum here, it’s with DVa, Fire and Auro.

Sorry, Wrt to Dunn,

What I meant to say, was that GAMMA has negative associations with Dunn/VC(you) and you and Penguin have his as your top town

.

[Chara]

No way in hell is my play here, even remotely similar to Overkill 1.

You are not town here and this post, proves it.

Anyone who sincerely believes that there is any world where, my play here is similar to that game, please ISO me and then also tell me, if anyone who doesn’t have reading comprehension issues, could seriously ever think this.

you reminded me of Overkill's existence.
i forgot you were scum in it.
your play here doesn't "remind me of Overkill".

what you reminded me of was the game where you were scum, but where i townread you for being sincerely emotional.
what that means, Nancy, is my way of reading you turned out to be wrong, so i could no longer just trust the townread i had.

[Chara]

Do you seriously think we’re all idiots here, Chara?

yay for continuing to misread my posts, Nancy.
i do have a bad memory. you're the one who reminded me of Overkill. i forgot. you had to tell me you were scum in it. christ.

[Chara]

And fwiw, you are one of my favourite people on this site and truly sorry if I’m “pissing you off”, because I happen to think you replaced into a scumslot. I still really like you a lot and greatly respect you as a person and your play. <3

i like you too.
i'm not pissed off for the scumread, i'm pissed off because if you're town it feels like you misread it every time i make a post, and then say my play isn't adding up because of those misreads.

[Chara]

Wrt the bolded, I really do NOT appreciate your misrep. I never “spun” ANYTHING. I pointed it out - SOLELY because LLD referenced it. I find your unwarranted shade on me, concerning.

why did you bring it up then? what's the point?
LLD is dead.
the only reason to bring it up is to make a point about a living player. i thought you were saying something about Dunn.

[Chara]

On the (what looks to me rn based on your most recent posts) the higly unlikely chance that I’m wrong here - because how else, do you account for deliberately mischaracterizing my play in Overkill 1, with THIS one - a game, you apparently can’t even freaking REMEMBER?

that's easy. it's you misreading my posts. i don't think it's deliberate.

your play here isn't like Overkill 1. the game's existence just proved my metric for reading you is wrong. there's a difference. i have scumgames that look really different. it's not strange.
i will say thank god you aren't the type to have gladiated me before everyone even gave their readslist, because now that it's not late i'm realizing it's pretty unlikely you're scum with this posting, because it's rare that i get this pissed with somebody who's scum.
or to word it another way, i'm unconsciously townreading you, because there's no reason to get annoyed with someone who has a wincon reason to do this.

[Chara]

as for Varsoon's read on Dunn: frankly, he shouldn't have that suspicion.
Varsoon's reads are the most suspect thing about his slot, and why he needs to post more. he made a post on me before at my prompting, but beyond that hasn't given any reads besides his townread on you this Day.
him, Penguin, and Gamma, i don't remember any of them interacting with my assertion that Dunnstral is town based on Maria's read. the only one who did was Dunn, who asked Maria about it. (if i'm wrong here, somebody tell me.)
Maria can read Dunn well. really well. if someone thinks he's scum they need to refute that, and this includes you Nancy.

[Chara]

i should stop being lame and just gladiate Penguin already. it'd mean i'm willing to bet the game on Nancy being town. (and that the team is Gamma/Varsoon/Penguin.)
it's hard to accept a scenario where all of the remaining scum are holding back, though.

[Chara]

Because if Dunn is town here, then he should logically be the next scumkill, right?

not really. me and Penguin are the only two players townreading him. if we're both scum then leaving him alive would be a great idea.