micro 840: mystery box of silver (this is over)

[the worst]

like it was aggressively genuine, borderline "take this to post-game" genuine

did.. you read that part of the thread.. or....?

[Aristophanes]

I scumhunt using three axes.

I thought you used a bow?
(brb reading the rest)

[mastina]

Mastina is a time traveller yeah

Well that's what happens when you've got the level of experience I have.

I've been playing mafia here on mafiascum.net for over ten years, now. There are people who play that are "older" than me; there are even people who are my contemporaries still around that play (Reck is from my generation, btw). However, in my youth I was in up to 15 games at the same time, and slowly dropped down to like 8 while still in my prime. Those that are older/my contemporaries were, by and large, lucky if they managed half of that.

So by and large, I've just had more experience playing that pretty much any other player on mafiascum. I admit, though, that my knowledge base on current scummers is at an all-time low. I stalk Normal games pretty obsessively, and I'm involved with an average of 50% of Large Theme games, but my only knowledge from mini themes is games I mod or play in; my knowledge of micros, opens, and newbies is nigh-nonexistent, meaning that the queues frequented by the newer generation are the ones I frankly have the least exposure to.

And given that I can only handle pretty much a maximum of four games at a time, that means my exposure is far less than when I was at my prime. But, such is the consequence of aging; I'm not as young as I used to be, and have lost a significant portion of my stamina. (It is a good day if I can read 20 pages of a game in a day. Whereas I used to binge 80, even 100, overnight, sometimes pulling all-nighters for the sake of mafia.)

Alas.

[Nibbui]

duck, you're talking about how you engaged Nancy recently

I'm talking about how you didn't seem very worried with sorting them before people were changing their minds on the slot and the wagon losing force

it's not a total lack though, but you seemed pretty fine with just lynching Nancy without hearing more from her

[the worst]

do you think Nancy would have townspewed if I hadn't engaged so actively with her in spite of thinking her slot was obvscum or

[Nibbui]

like, let's agree on something:

everyone was fine with lynching Nancy before I constantly said "hey, wait up, that might be town"

it sounded somewhat a lazy push considering that you said you can decently read Nancy

the wagon was there and...it was there

you would hammer when the time came and you even gave intent

I understand what you're talking about, after that you and Nancy had a sort of "1v1" and it was...VERY genuine

but idk if it's AI, it's genuine but it sounds more like a personal thing

[Nibbui]

do you think Nancy would have townspewed if I hadn't engaged so actively with her in spite of thinking her slot was obvscum or

I think she would never have townspewed if I hadn't constantly said to people not end the phase or to not hammer yet

you guys even had come to L-1 and you giving intent to hammer

I bet she would get hammered by now if I hadn't said anything

[the worst]

you weren't like, campaigning very hard for town!Nancy until after our extremely obvious real-time interactions so please don't leech towncred off me on that basis lol

pedit: hard disagree.

[the worst]

Nibbui

vca sheep lol

[Nibbui]

I wasn't campaigning very hard for town!Nancy because she wasn't entirely out of her scum range there

I was very hard campaigning very hard to not hammer her yet and to hear more of her while you were giving intent to hammer what even if you say that was to rile her up, it can go either way since your intent to hammer wasn't followed by your questioning Nancy past posts

[the worst]

why do you think I gave intent to hammer fam

[mastina]

(Btw it goes without saying--most people have commented on Nancy, but are ignoring that Ari's been posting, too; what Aristophanes has posted is just as strongly a town indicator even if you're unfamiliar with his meta. If you know his meta like I do, then they should be the locktown of absolute locktown because this is Ari as town. I know I heavily coached him on how to better his scumgame, but he still hasn't mastered it to the level he'd have displayed this game, soooooooooooooooooo.)

[the worst]

ari is a scumgod and top tier meta manipulation is his greatest strength

Ari's posting here has been like, leaning good at best mastina

[Nibbui]

it can go either way

you needed to give intent to hammer regardless of your alignment

and my trouble is that I can't see cristal clear your town motivations

I can see town!duck giving intent to hammer to get some reactions from Nancy to try to sort her better

but like, you have a couple of posts saying "if Meph reds", "Lynch Meph today and sort out me/lolwagons tomorrow"

so I can see a scum!duck just really getting ready to hammer a mislynch

[the worst]

one spicy take: scum!me lolhammers there instead of giving intent because I'm completely cognisant of how heavily Nancy can spew town under pressure

[mastina]

I want to lynch Mastina today though because she has good partner equity with all the different possible scum teams imo here

Helpful hint:
If someone can be scum with anyone, they are scum with no one. (They're town.)

Actual scum don't make it so that they can be partnered with anyone; they make it so that they look like they're partnered with a few specific town players, such that when those town players flip town the scum are townread, or when the scum is lynched the town are scumread.

[Nibbui]

hmmmm

yeah but you lolhammering there, it flipping green, and it all after me asking repeatdly to not hammer, is basically a scum claim imo and you would 100% get lynched next day

in a scum pov, I can sense you were testing waters, no one was buying Nancy's AtE and although you were ready to take back your read on them, you were also seeing if the situation would keep going that way and a hammer would be possible without looking very badly

[the worst]

I've gotten away with worse lolhammers

[the worst]

I still don't see what you're seeing as town in mastina's posts, it's like agenda driving => fear mongering => sweeping holistic theory statements => repeat

[mastina]

I can change my mind if I ever find a strong reason to scum read him though

I should write that case then at some point. Don't have the energy to do it today (I'm running low on stamina as-is), but if there's no page explosion maybe I can do it tomorrow.

[Nibbui]

I want to lynch Mastina today though because she has good partner equity with all the different possible scum teams imo here

Helpful hint:
If someone can be scum with anyone, they are scum with no one. (They're town.)

Actual scum don't make it so that they can be partnered with anyone; they make it so that they look like they're partnered with a few specific town players, such that when those town players flip town the scum are townread, or when the scum is lynched the town are scumread.

This makes sense but by "all possible scum teams" I'm already restricting my pool to only some players, not the whole playerlist

[Nibbui]

I still don't see what you're seeing as town in mastina's posts, it's like agenda driving => fear mongering => sweeping holistic theory statements => repeat

I think that it's not necessarily that they are town

but they aren't scummy as I once thought

[Nibbui]

I wonder if I'm getting under Mastina's charm though

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