Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[Creature]

but I'd rather lynch else

where

.

where?

[Creature]

with the voyeur + traitor flips this is likely to be a game of little PR powers.

Wouldn't Nero be able to tell what scum PRs scum have? There are probably more.

[Creature]

the problem is bef is probably scum here cuz his claim is just bad and scummy so we are letting a free lynch slip through our fingers when we don't have to.

idk, I could still see it being town and it'll suck harder if we mislynch town!him today than let scum!him survive another day.

[Creature]

What do you all think about Suka?

[BrightEyedFish]

What do you all think about Suka?

Looking through his ISO all I really see is his push on me and kmd. He was certain that vork would flip town, maybe a little too confident in that. Other than that I didn't really see any real scum hunting or new reasons why kmd or myself are scum. It seems he put more effort into confirming vork as town than anything else.

[Varsoon]

Seems like you're upset that I called ya out on what you did.

im really not. im more upset at how terrible of a player you are.

Ouch.
Guess you'll have to pull more of your weight and actually catch scum.
How's that one going for you?

[Dannflor]

Ouch.
Guess you'll have to pull more of your weight and actually catch scum.
How's that one going for you?

Dude. This is the extent of your scum hunting:

Not really much, I guess.
I just get worse vibes from Oka and DDL.
The way they are present and how they interact with the game
It bothers me
I can't really articulate it

I actually looked at Varsoon's ISO again because his recent posts have been bothering me so much, and I think I made a mistake when I first read him. I gave him town points for posing resistance to the Yyotta lynch. By my counts he was pushing DDL through D1, probably hoping to get (what I'm viewing as now) an easy mislynch and save Yyotta as a policy lynch for the next day. All his actual resistance to the Yyotta wagon comes after she was already lynched:

VOTE: Yyotta
Just to be sure, then.
It's an awful lynch, in my opinion.

It gives us nothing, imo.

That's what all flips do, though.
What I mean is that I wish the interactions with the wagon were more palpable.

I don't think it'll flip scum, though.
Getting a mislynch with low info is the worst outcome.

I don't have a read on Yyota.
I don't think I've had a single interaction on the slot.
I'd lean it more likely town than not given how other players have treated it, though.

It's like... "Let me just make sure this lynch goes through... Oh yea it's a total mistake btw." This is all just token resistance that comes

after

the lynch actually went through, a detail I missed on my first read. All of these posts are useless except to try and grab free town cred when Yyotta flips town. As scum, it's incredibly easy to make these posts knowing the outcome of the lynch to try and make yourself look better. Most of his other activity before that was trying to ram through DDL. I'm moving Varsoon to scum.

If it's the former, we decide whether to lynch him or not.

You're saying we could potentially not lynch him if he fakes a good enough result?

idk,

I could still see it being town

and it'll suck harder if we mislynch town!him today than let scum!him survive another day.

Why? I need more on this for me to come close to seeing what you're seeing.

What do you all think about Suka?

I think she's town by the way she plays. It's good to note she defended Vorkuta as a newbie from the very beginning as well.

[mbaki]

I don't think resisting YYotta lynch in itself is town indicative. If anything, that's the kind of player scum would love to defend, since they're inevitably getting lynched eventually, and not a threat.

[Creature]

You're saying we could potentially not lynch him if he fakes a good enough result?

No, we just read him as normal (whether he's actually town claiming truthfully or scum lying).

[Creature]

Why? I need more on this for me to come close to seeing what you're seeing.

For some reason I can still imagine someone being that bad as town.

[Creature]

I don't think resisting YYotta lynch in itself is town indicative. If anything, that's the kind of player scum would love to defend, since they're inevitably getting lynched eventually, and not a threat.

Who was pushing YYotta the most?

[Dannflor]

KMD sat on Yyotta all day.

For some reason I can still imagine someone being that bad as town.

I mean, yea. If this game so far is anything to go by, that's a possibility. I'd feel so much better if he'd actually used his ability on DDL since that's the obvious thing to do.

If not BEF, who? I don't think Oka is correct.

[mbaki]

I probably pushed him the most proactively.

[Suka]

It's still Bright/kmd, with a chance it's DrDo/Oka if one of those flip town. I'm not voting outside this group of players for the rest of the game.

[Dannflor]

Creature, in the hypothetical situation we don't lynch Bright today, which I'm not sold on, do we direct his night action? If so, to where?

Also Suka is town.

[Creature]

do we direct his night action? If so, to where?

DDL obviously

[Dannflor]

What happens when mafia kills DDL, or the off chance DDL is his partner

[Dannflor]

I'm just not seeing the scenario where any result from BEF at this point is useful, but maybe I'm blind because I'm fixed on him being scum

[Suka]

Result is useful in the unlikely event that Bright flips town after we lynch him.

[OkaPoka]

I thought I pushed yyotta the most :/

"Checking" DDL is a waste

BEF is still scum

suka can possibly be scum as well, but I don't feel as confident in any lynch other than BEF.

whats going to happen if we don't lynch bef is we are going to probably then mislynch today because odds are stacked against us heavily now, town n2 gets nk'd, and bef claims that either the person he checked was killed or he was rb'd and then we are here again except w two less town members. yeah there is this unlikely scenario where bef straight up did all this nonsense as a real 1-shot neopolitan, but playing for the 1% scenario to sabotage 99% other scenarios is not worth. if there was a way to make sure 100% it was safer, id do it, but this isn't that case.

discussion is going to stall if we don't flip bef. straight up.

[Suka]

What's your read on kmd, Oka?

[OkaPoka]

i can't tell if he's spectating the game or playing the game.

his decision to stick on suka vanity wagon is sketch bc vanity wagon-ing is sketch. people who vanity wagon when the lynch choices are clear are people who don't want to dirty their hands (which solidifies my question of whether he's actually playing the game or not) (and also people who don't want to dirty their hands = probably scum)

im probably going to go reread DDU kmd iso later to verify some things, b/c i felt like he was similar in that game where he seemed spectator-y up until lylo.

but he's still been scummy so

yeah

[OkaPoka]

with all that said

bef

is

priority

1

[Kmd4390]

Ok, back to catching up.

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Drdoolittle unvoting after a VT claim is weird. Could be scum wanting to draw out more claims.

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We reconsidered DDL D1 after he claimed VT.

What point were you trying to get across with this post?

___________

Oh, Drdoolittle says he townread the VT claim. Meh. That's not entirely unbelievable.

Scum do not necessarily claim PR. That just sounds like a way of retroactively clearing yourself, DDL.

That's actually a good point too. It sounds like "Scum would never claim VT, oh by the way I'm a claimed VT so I can't be scum either". If I have time, I want to go back at some point and look at drdoolittle's scum games to see what he claimed.

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Oka, yeah I was busy for most of our last game too, unfortunately. That LYLO was fun though and I was to the point of like posting instead of playing with my kids and stuff which I never do. It was just a fun group and I had days off work at the right time.

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I don't get the Varsoon push. I don't have much of a read on him.

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Your reads are pretty bad, mbaki. Is that normal?

This was said on Day 2. Town can only know if someone else's reads were bad on three players (yyotta, rb, and themselves). Mbaki claimed to be townreading yyotta (or at least NOT scumreading) despite voting there a couple times (I actually thought mbaki could be a yyotta scum partner before yyotta's flip). RB, most people were wrong on. So the only thing that would stand out as "bad reads" from town-Suka's point of view would be the mbaki scumreading suka. So it feels weird that suka is calling out the accuracy of mbaki's reads now. It's also worth noting that suka's reads on yyotta and rb were similar to mbaki's (town on yyotta, but voted there anyway. town on rb.)

I would love to hear how Leodanny was obvtown, lol.

Really? Again?

Day 3 stuff:
Bright's OMGUS on Dann is pretty bad. Didn't address a single point. Didn't say why Dann's case makes him scum rather than wrong. Just got defensive and voted. Also, I think I already commented on the claim but just in case I didn't, I don't buy it. I don't see any reason he'd actually wait to use a 1-shot investigative. It sounds like scum trying to buy another day. I wouldn't be surprised if he's like a scum rolecop or something looking for another night to get another result. Oka's point about the vig claim is spot on too. A town investigative should never try to make themselves a NK target, especially if they are holding shots for some reason.

Maybe it's the tone but I never implied that you are scum

What did you mean when you said you doubt I believe you to be scum?

Which post is this KMD?

1787

also @KMD, what are your reads right now aside from BEF?

Town on top, scum on bottom:
Dannflor
Creature
OkaPoka
Varsoon
Drdoolittle
mbaki
Suka
BrightEyedFish

i can't tell if he's spectating the game or playing the game.

his decision to stick on suka vanity wagon is sketch bc vanity wagon-ing is sketch. people who vanity wagon when the lynch choices are clear are people who don't want to dirty their hands (which solidifies my question of whether he's actually playing the game or not) (and also people who don't want to dirty their hands = probably scum)

im probably going to go reread DDU kmd iso later to verify some things, b/c i felt like he was similar in that game where he seemed spectator-y up until lylo.

but he's still been scummy so

yeah

Oka didn't you and I have the conversation last game about my work schedule not changing based on alignment in mafia games? When I hit big stretches of time off (like this coming month), I can be active. When I'm working my 16 hour days, I have zero internet access. As for the "vanity wagon" thing, I vote who I want to lynch until it's time to compromise. Had Vorkuta not been lynched while I was away, I would have switched to Bright.

[OkaPoka]

yeah

but what i feel is what i feel

u being obv town and then impossible for me to mislynch happened to correlate directly w lylo

correlation != causation but i guess u can prove me wrong by obv towning now