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Post Post #475 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:08 pm

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In post 455, Darkwing Duck wrote:
In post 454, Vedith wrote:TGP rejecting the pair up means that they should he lynched.
I'm going to work hopefully easy day so I can post.

Makes me sad that people start posting after it can only be TGP or AP that can be voted.
You strongly believe no lynch is not an option in this situation?
Of course. Because then tomorrow we are in the same stage other than someone killed who wasn't a potential lynch.
I claim scum \o/
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Post Post #476 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:08 pm

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In post 288, TheGoldenParadox wrote:I don't see anybody trying to develop a consensus on the dance mechanic, but people should be dancing as much as possible. We need those PTs.
You're right that this is a terrible line of logic given that the lovers is a huge liability for town, although I think if TGP is scum he's more likely scum for this argument than for rejecting this argument when he actually was asked to dance.

You think TGP was advocating a scum agenda here rather than just not really 'getting' the implications of having all the town be lovers?
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Post Post #477 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:09 pm

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Votecount 1-9 (09)
TheGoldenParadox - 4 (Vedith, AP, Darkwing Duck, mcqueen)

AP - 2 (Aronis, TheGoldenParadox)



Not Voting - 7 (Slaxx, Kokichi Oma, redtea, LabRat01, Eragon, Moment, EeveeLution Army)

13
alive;
7
to lynch.
Deadline: Sunday, February 3rd, @ 6:45 pm PST: (expired on 2019-02-03 22:44:33).

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  • Seeking replacement for Kokichi Oma
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Post Post #478 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:10 pm

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Yes
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Post Post #479 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:12 pm

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In post 352, BNL wrote:
Votecount 1-6 (06)
LabRat01 - 2 (Eragon, TheGoldenParadox)

redtea - 2 (LabRat01, Darkwing Duck)

Eragon - 1 (Moment)
Moment - 1 (mcqueen)
mcqueen - 1 (EeveeLution Army)
TheGoldenParadox - 1 (Vedith)

Not Voting - 5 (NicoRobin, Kokichi Oma, AP, redtea, Aronis)
While I understand your argument, Vedith, at the time of the dance offer these were the wagons

AP clearly wants TGP to get lynched. TGP seems to have reactively decided that rejecting a dance and forcing a gladiation was better than accepting the dance and possibly just moving on to another wagon.

If AP had not offered to dance with TGP, would either be likely lynch candidates right now?
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Post Post #480 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:17 pm

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In post 434, mcqueen wrote:
request dance with Slaxx
<<< This is not a valid dance offer. >>>
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Post Post #481 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:19 pm

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Page 10:
In post 229, Eragon wrote:Town- Eevee, Lab
*very slight* town- Vedith, Redtea
Null- everyone else
Slight scum- ThegoldenParadox, (originally Moment but now I’m just confused)

@Eragon where did Eevee-town come from?

#230 from Lab looked town

Page 11:
#260 More good Socratic questioning from Vedith Re: Redtea


Okay, finally.

#288 Looks a NAI for TGP so far.
#296 Looks good on Lab Rat, he didn't have to react favorably to that and could have waited to guage reactions.
TGP #372 feels a lot like overexplaining leading up to the rejection
But #378 is more scumhunting than he did as scum in our entire last game together >_>


So, initial thoughts on all this: TGP's rejection and reasoning for rejection look way worse than AP's offer, even if his reason for an offer was basically YOLO sheeping.

First thing, I notice a lot of absence of town reads from like, almost everybody, so...

@AP/TGP: Any town reads?


@TGP
In post 378, TheGoldenParadox wrote:To respond to vedith - I'm not sure how my vote and post was terrible outside of you chainsaw defending Lab. Clearly the second I voted lab you jumped on me and scumread it while he townread it, so i'm visualizing a possibility of a lab/ved/? scumteam - it makes sense as they did seem to spam up the thread together and vedith seems to be hard attacking me for a vote.
Do you really think scum brazenly spam the thread that much together? Have you genuinely ever seen that happen? I think they are almost definitely not partners. And there were plenty of interactions that seemed genuine.

I can see something like this being distancing:
In post 157, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 133, Vedith wrote:
In post 128, LabRat01 wrote:what d0es that mean?
Means it's a terrible comment.
:p0ut:
But not this:
Spoiler: Not Theater
In post 154, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 130, Vedith wrote: So I ask you, why was this not addressed after the vote by yourself?
y0u mean, why did I n0t react immediateIy? 0r why was there n0 discussi0n after my push?
Cuz y0u kn0w,,, b0th are untrue
In post 130, Vedith wrote: Also towards Eragon who has a simular opinion on the vote being pretty bad.
Can y0u rephrase this pIease? :/ I d0n’t understand what y0u’re trying t0 say here

In post 130, Vedith wrote:The argument of not staying around to discuss is 100% void considering the following posts from both of you had no positive discussion in the matter. I also just see that as more of a comment towards easier to argue against someone who's posting less, otherwise I would have expected the same, if not worse, negative response to a blank vote.
Disagree
The p0st feIt weird t0 me and I did pursue it
Sure, I d0 meme a I0t, but I think I did my part there
Tbh same with erag0n
In post 130, Vedith wrote:If anything Aronis holding the game back should be more of a concern and discussion in my opinion than a blank vote early on. Although I doubt it's the case, Aronis looks to be actively delaying progress of the game. That said, I would agree if it were said that yourself, DuckDuck and Eragon are doing the same thing (until this point of course).
I0I

Agree with the case 0n ar0nis th0ugh
D0esn he aIways pIay Iike that?


Due to the bolded. Do you think if it was theater that would be asked? He genuinely seems to want to resolve the question. That could be SvT but I don't see that being SvS. There's purpose behind that.

Do you have any other SR's that aren't based on associative with Lab?

@AP
In post 384, AP wrote:
In post 372, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
Reject Dance

VOTE: AP
Thank you.

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

Also, if TGP flips red at
any point of the game
Aronis should go next. Aronis opting to vote me
NOW
over "what has been there for ages" and
before seeing if TGP will accept or reject
my offer = he's probably informed of TGP's decision beforehand and wants to be on my wagon early.
So you think both scum came at you right out of the gate near this pairing? Are you insinuating he got onto the wagon before in order to not take a stance? It seems way more risky to jump on right away than to just pontificate and see which way the wind blows.
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Post Post #482 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:20 pm

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In post 479, Darkwing Duck wrote:While I understand your argument, Vedith, at the time of the dance offer these were the wagons

AP clearly wants TGP to get lynched. TGP seems to have reactively decided that rejecting a dance and forcing a gladiation was better than accepting the dance and possibly just moving on to another wagon.

If AP had not offered to dance with TGP, would either be likely lynch candidates right now?
Of course, TGP would have been a likely lynch. And one I would have strongly suggested. The fact that LabRat was even top voted at this stage does explain the how the game is going so poorly.

AP forcing a lynch on 2 people (out of a few) that deserve and should be up for voting was the best thing this day could have had.
If 1 was town guaranteed I would heavily favour AP as town over TGP.

TGP also gave no discussion about rejecting and therefore removed and other potential pairs to form. It's a case now the TGP needs to be lynched for rejecting the dance otherwise it goes to my point early game of if town want me to pair with a scummy player to lynch us both, im not saying yes.
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Post Post #483 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:23 pm

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It's 320 AM here, I will answer DD's questions tomorrow when I'm not irritable and prone to being reactionary.

which, ya know, hint hint.
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Post Post #484 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:24 pm

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In post 288, TheGoldenParadox wrote:I don't see anybody trying to develop a consensus on the dance mechanic, but people should be dancing as much as possible. We need those PTs.
Slaxx this is NAI?
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Post Post #485 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:27 pm

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In post 482, Vedith wrote:It's a case now the TGP needs to be lynched for rejecting the dance otherwise it goes to my point early game of if town want me to pair with a scummy player to lynch us both, im not saying yes.
I actually kinda agree here. That given the case why do you think the initial push of votes was on AP (iirc)?
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Post Post #486 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:51 am

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Because AP made the dance request and was more vocal during that point.
That's the only reason.
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Post Post #487 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:16 am

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VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

Idk how to explain this well. But rejecting a dance in the future could hurt town. Scum possibly doing it to stop a lynch on a fellow scum or to prevent too many lovers.
Today im unsure if either are being goldens rejection. But i think this is better than AP.
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Post Post #488 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:19 am

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In post 394, AP wrote:
In post 393, Darkwing Duck wrote:Well what does that leave you to conclude moment? Do you want to do a d1 no lynch?
NO! I demand that we get a lynch through. I don't care if it's turns out to be me, but a lynch under these circumstances will be most beneficial for the town.

This oozes town to me tbh. Given the situation before the dance.
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Post Post #489 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:26 am

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Town- Rat/ Eragon
Townlean- AP / moment
Null- mcqueen / duck / golden / venith
Scum(lean)- aronis / slaxx

Others either Dont have enough for a good read or also null but a meh null.
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Post Post #490 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:54 am

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<<< Eragon is being prodded.
Eragon has this long to post content, or replaced: ((expired on 2019-02-03 20:54:09)). >>>
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Post Post #491 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:01 am

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ಠ_ಠ
I’m Iike reaIIy, reaIIy tempted t0 just 0MGUS TGP’s p0sts
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Post Post #492 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:02 am

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In post 372, TheGoldenParadox wrote: I see her "working hard", and her posts are good. But there's no town motivation in them. She doesn't seem like she's trying to scumhunt - she seems like "hey, look, I'm town!" by posting a ton of content, maybe, but look at her posts. The intent of those posts is not to scumhunt. The intent of those posts is not to help town find scum, because in that bod of posts, there is a air of knowing, being informed, of whom town is. That's the vibe I'm getting.
I reaIIy d0n’t kn0w h0w t0 resp0nd t0 that
Can y0u at Ieast qu0te my p0sts? Which p0sts made y0u feeI my pushes were insincere?
And if y0u think s0me were TMI, it w0uId be w0rth qu0ting them as weII
Y0u’re basicaIIy saying that “I’m scum because I’m faking my reads and I kn0w wh0 the t0wnies are”, which is a statement 0n a n0n-pers0naI IeveI
Just eIab0rate 0n it pIease
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Post Post #493 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:03 am

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In post 372, TheGoldenParadox wrote:But none of this matters NOW, for the simple reason that...
AP offered to dance with me, and RIGHT NOW I hate that. So... no. I can't see the town motivation in that. That is blind sheeping. No.
Reject Dance

VOTE: AP
And what made y0u think sheeping was s0 incredibIy scum-indicative here?
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Post Post #494 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:08 am

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In post 378, TheGoldenParadox wrote:To respond to vedith - I'm not sure how my vote and post was terrible outside of you chainsaw defending Lab. Clearly the second I voted lab you jumped on me and scumread it while he townread it, so i'm visualizing a possibility of a lab/ved/? scumteam - it makes sense as they did seem to spam up the thread together and vedith seems to be hard attacking me for a vote.
That p0st gives me reaIIy weird vibes (ಠ ∩ಠ)
feeIs Iike a pureIy defIective SR and d0esn’t even make that much sense either

Y0u seem t0 have a rather negative read 0n Ved, s0 d0es it mean that y0u didn’t Iike his p0sts 0r is it based s0IeIy 0n the interacti0ns with me? If it’s the f0rmer, why didn’t y0u say anything ab0ut him bef0re?
And if y0u feeI that we’re a team, d0es that mean y0ure c0nfident in me/ved/AP being the s0Ive?
I d0n't reaIIy understand y0ur pr0gressi0n here
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Post Post #495 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:11 am

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In post 386, AP wrote:
In post 364, EeveeLution Army wrote:Why golden over really anyone else?
Since you put it this way, why the hell not? What does TGP have over "anyone"?

P-Edit: Because
HE VOTED ME BEFORE WAITING TO SEE IF TGP ACCEPTS OR NOT
. Are you reading?

What matters is he won't lynch his own buddy. If he thought TGP isn't worth lynching why jump the wagon, just in case TGP does accept?

In fact, Aronis' vote is scummy regardless, so I have been
kind
to call him scum
if
TGP is scum, when I should have said he is scum. Period.
Ar0nis didn’t say anything a0but his v0te 0n y0u being c0nnected t0 the dance 0ffer
And it’s n0t p0ssibIe t0 deduce if that’s the case 0r n0t im0, s0 I w0uIdnt take the v0te in any 0ther way than a reguIar SR
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Post Post #496 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:12 am

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In post 390, Slaxx wrote:Right off the bat #379 and #380 are gross but I should probably start from the beginning
Why are they gr0ss?
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Post Post #497 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:18 am

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In post 405, Moment wrote:I see no reason that anyone should be townreading him and would like anyone who is doing so to explain

Finally, I find this post to be simple "reactions" to posts in the thread rather than any sort of in-depth thought. Content for the sake of content, so to speak. I have a tendency to scumread this sort of thing, and it has a tendency to be scum-indicative in my experience.
I might make a read 0n him Iater, cuz I think his p0sts were just 0k tiII n0w

Just wanted t0 say that fr0m my experience he d0es tend t0 p0st a I0t 0f fIuff as either aIignment
If y0u want t0, y0u can skip thr0ugh his IS0 fr0m 0ur Iast t0wn game and y0u’II kn0w what I’m taIking ab0ut
Iink

I think he’s fIuffing quite a bit Iess in here, but I’m n0t even sure if I sh0uId anaIyze it in any way
It reaIIy d0esn't seem AI t0 me
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Post Post #498 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:42 am

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STOP VOTING ME
Vote no lynch if you have to but don't vote me. As this game is plularity I have to claim.
I AM THE DANCEMASTER. I CAN READ ALL DANCE PTS and HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHUT ONE DOWN DURING THE COURSE OF THE GAME. You can debate about this tomorrow, but TODAY it makes literally no sense to lynch a powerful town pr, ESPECIALLY considering the fact that if this role was given to scum it would be the most powerful ever. You can verify my claim when a pt is created. DON'T lynch me. I know I might get NKed, but it's better than a basically inno child getting lynched. Also the reason I reejcted the dance offer.
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Post Post #499 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:45 am

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In post 476, Darkwing Duck wrote:
In post 288, TheGoldenParadox wrote:I don't see anybody trying to develop a consensus on the dance mechanic, but people should be dancing as much as possible. We need those PTs.
You're right that this is a terrible line of logic given that the lovers is a huge liability for town, although I think if TGP is scum he's more likely scum for this argument than for rejecting this argument when he actually was asked to dance.

You think TGP was advocating a scum agenda here rather than just not really 'getting' the implications of having all the town be lovers?
My argument is that if town dances with scum, the lovers thing is neutralized and we get information. So middle-upper town should dance with scumreads.
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