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Post Post #500 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:46 am

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In post 481, Slaxx wrote:@AP/TGP: Any town reads?
Vedith is Town.
DD is "stupid" Town.
Mqueen is "probably" Town.
LabRat "feels" Town.
Not sure what to make of yours or Moment's postings yet.
Everyone else is probably null, except TGP who is a scum lean to me.
I picked him precisely for the reason you kindly pointed out. He wanted everyone to be paired up with someone but wasn't even active enough to be offered or to make an enlightened offer.
Vedith said redtea + AP/TGP, so it made sense to pick one of the two. I think RedLab mentioned Mcqueen earlier?
My "loose" thoughts are if Vedith (who is
my strongest TR right now
) somehow flips scum there's a good chance one of TGP/redtea is his p (rule of 3, excluding myself bc I already know I'm town. For you it should be one of TGP/redtea/AP). However, the inverse is not at all correct, meaning if readtea/TGP flips scum Vedith is in fact still likely Town.

So, I offer to pair with TGP, and hopefully he accepts, and we probably get lynched or NK'd (the NK depended on who else was paired with whom, if any). 2 "suspected" slots resolved.
I didn't see him rejecting, because -as you pointed out- he was advocating "the need" for those PTs. His rejection not only denies him (if town) a chance to sort me better, but also forces a lynch on one of us (if he's town that was a really bad move). In fact, even if he SRs me he should have still accepted. (Actually my whole lackluster play was in waits for someone to offer me a dance to accept).

As for you question about Aronis, I explained it and I honestly doubt I can do a better job here, but I will try. Aronis wasn't present in the game earlier. He had just started reading AFTER I had offered TGP the dance. Even if he SRs me and TRs TGP, voting me at this particular point means IF RGP accepts he is effectively voting his TR as well. If TGP is null to him, then he wants to see if TGP accepts or declines to form a better read on him, i.e. he still doesn't vote me yet. The only way he votes at this very situation is if he knows in advance that he won't be voting TGP by voting me.

But why didn't he wait? Because he knows he will be asked to explain why he voted the person who offered over the one that rejected the offer. It was better -from his PoV- to find a reason to be on that person BEFORE the rejection to justify his vote. Someone who had virtually not caught up doesn't decide to cast a vote on precisely the one person who had just offered to dance on someone without waiting to see the outcome or even questioning that person as to why they offered the dance to their chosen target. It all doesn't make sense from a town PoV no matter how you try to slice it.
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Post Post #501 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:58 am

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In post 498, TheGoldenParadox wrote:Also the reason I reejcted the dance offer.
I won't debate the claim. I'll even accept it at face value.

UNVOTE:

Now tell me what exactly you were thinking when you rejected the offer
knowing it prevents the creation of any other PTs today.
Wait, not even just that. You could have shut down the PT you & I will have, even.

So, you thought it a better idea to force a duel between me and you, and to outright claim over having a PT with me and moving on? And if you thought I was scum, you didn't want to be NK-proof for the night?? A paradox it is to me.
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Post Post #502 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:14 am

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I don't believe the claim. I suspect it's an altered version of the real one and probably just an ability to stop a chat without the seeing the posts part. That would be more of a Scum role with this setup imo.
My vote stands.

If the role was real, then declining the dance before getting others to pair up would have happened instead they just declined and stopped any possibility of their role to be used.
Declining would have always had them as a priority lynch where the claim would have happened. Either waiting or accepting the dance before claiming would have been town motivated.
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Post Post #503 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:18 am

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Votecount 1-10 (10)
TheGoldenParadox - 4 (Vedith, Darkwing Duck, mcqueen, EeveeLution Army)

AP - 2 (Aronis, TheGoldenParadox)


Not Voting - 7 (Slaxx, Kokichi Oma, redtea, LabRat01, Eragon, Moment, AP)

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Deadline: Sunday, February 3rd, @ 6:45 pm PST: (expired on 2019-02-03 22:44:33).

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  • Seeking replacement for Kokichi Oma.
  • Eragon has been prodded. He has this long to post game content: (expired on 2019-02-03 20:54:09).
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Post Post #504 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:35 am

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In post 501, AP wrote:
In post 498, TheGoldenParadox wrote:Also the reason I reejcted the dance offer.
I won't debate the claim. I'll even accept it at face value.

UNVOTE:

Now tell me what exactly you were thinking when you rejected the offer
knowing it prevents the creation of any other PTs today.
Wait, not even just that. You could have shut down the PT you & I will have, even.

So, you thought it a better idea to force a duel between me and you, and to outright claim over having a PT with me and moving on? And if you thought I was scum, you didn't want to be NK-proof for the night?? A paradox it is to me.
I am really sorry for this - I didn't realize that I could just ignore the dance offer w/o forcing a duel. I didn't think you were scum, necessarily, I thought that dance ws scummy, but not AI enough to bet the life of a powerful town role AS WELL AS another townie on it, ESPECIALLY since I believed that if we were lovers, we wouldn't be lynched, and people would care less about my claim if I was was close to lynch.
In post 502, Vedith wrote:I don't believe the claim. I suspect it's an altered version of the real one and probably just an ability to stop a chat without the seeing the posts part. That would be more of a Scum role with this setup imo.
My vote stands.

If the role was real, then declining the dance before getting others to pair up would have happened instead they just declined and stopped any possibility of their role to be used.
Declining would have always had them as a priority lynch where the claim would have happened. Either waiting or accepting the dance before claiming would have been town motivated.
See above. I didn't realize you could wait. Also, dude, the reading is EASILY verifiable. The minute a PT is created, someone can post something unique and I can quote it/ paraphrase it in thread.
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Post Post #505 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:44 am

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But there are 11 hours, and if you don't start VOTE: No Lynch, YOU ARE SCUM. AP is town,a dn he's explained it.
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Post Post #506 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:44 am

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AP please join me.
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Post Post #507 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:48 am

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In post 504, TheGoldenParadox wrote:See above. I didn't realize you could wait. Also, dude, the reading is EASILY verifiable. The minute a PT is created, someone can post something unique and I can quote it/ paraphrase it in thread.
Verfied on day 3 you mean?
Nope, not buying it. Give me a reason to not lynch you, and either vote AP or NoLynch
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Post Post #508 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:49 am

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In post 505, TheGoldenParadox wrote:But there are 11 hours, and if you don't start VOTE: No Lynch, YOU ARE SCUM. AP is town,a dn he's explained it.
Guess I'm caught as Scum then.
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Post Post #509 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:04 am

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TGP, do you believe that town benefits from a no lynch here?
What information do we have with a no lynch going into tomorrow. From a town perspective isn't lynching AP better in your mind for information alone?
What's to prevent tomorrow a lynch on yourself or AP?
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Post Post #510 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:13 am

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In post 509, Vedith wrote:TGP, do you believe that town benefits from a no lynch here?
What information do we have with a no lynch going into tomorrow. From a town perspective isn't lynching AP better in your mind for information alone?
What's to prevent tomorrow a lynch on yourself or AP?
I believe that AP is town, and we will get information from the scumkill.
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Post Post #511 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:24 am

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Ugh I had family visiting yesterday, sorry about the inactivity.

I'll be on mobile for most of today, but I'll try to catchup when I have time.

I did skim the thread, but not very thoroughly

Welcome slaxx.
To answer your question, I felt Eevee was really towny from their first couple posts, I liked the tone and some of the content. You can call it gut, but I feel fairly strongly about it.

TGP, you can't even confirm yourself tonight because there are no open PTs? So you will be in the same boat tommorow.
On top of that, how are you a "powerful, confirmed town role"
What good is reading all dance PT's?
Almost 90%+ of the time, there will be a town in the dance PT anyways, so why do you need to read them?
And what's so good about being able to shut down the PT?

This role is negative utility if Town, and strong utility if mafia.
So on top of
1) the gladiate between TGP and AP
2) me thinking TGP is just scum

The role itself is not good for Town, and won't be able to confirm itself tonight either, so the same arguments will be coming out tommorow too
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Post Post #512 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:24 am

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Just because you can "confirm" your role, doesn't mean that you confirm yourself as town
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Post Post #513 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:25 am

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VOTE: TGP
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Post Post #514 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:28 am

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I mean, I suppose my role has not the greatest utility either, but it's a lot less exploitable
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Post Post #515 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:29 am

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In post 512, Eragon wrote:Just because you can "confirm" your role, doesn't mean that you confirm yourself as town
Keep in mind the confirm can only be day 3 if there is a successful dance outside of TGP.
Many ways to avoid this too.
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Post Post #516 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:29 am

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In post 514, Eragon wrote:I mean, I suppose my role has not the greatest utility either, but it's a lot less exploitable
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Post Post #517 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:31 am

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In post 510, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
In post 509, Vedith wrote:TGP, do you believe that town benefits from a no lynch here?
What information do we have with a no lynch going into tomorrow. From a town perspective isn't lynching AP better in your mind for information alone?
What's to prevent tomorrow a lynch on yourself or AP?
I believe that AP is town, and we will get information from the scumkill.
I'm not sold. The negative play you have done will out do any kill.
Plus with the amount of less active players in the game Scum can easily manipulate the kills to hide information.
However, keep trying to change my mind
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Post Post #518 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:33 am

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In post 239, Darkwing Duck wrote:I would also say mcqueen could dance with nico but I don't think nico would accept

so mcqueen and red tea dance, we lynch both, if there's a redflip and a night kill nico is conftown

Let's make it happen
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Why McQueen as the main partner over literally.. anyone else?


In post 283, EeveeLution Army wrote:
In post 272, Darkwing Duck wrote:Aronis Jan 29, 06:05am Jan 31, 03:47pm 1 day 7 hours 9
AP Jan 29, 04:39am Feb 01, 03:49pm 0 days 6 hours 7
mcqueen Jan 29, 10:52am Feb 01, 11:28am 0 days 11 hours 5
TheGoldenParadox Jan 30, 07:11pm Jan 31, 05:59pm 1 day 4 hours 3
BulletNLynchproof Jan 29, 12:47am Feb 01, 04:55am 0 days 17 hours 2
Kokichi Oma Jan 30, 05:29pm Jan 31, 02:43pm 1 day 8 hours 2
redtea Jan 30, 09:37am Jan 31, 09:06pm 1 day 1 hour 2
NicoRobin Jan 29, 06:22am Jan 29, 06:22am 3 days 16 hours 1

we got like barely more than a day left

and right now I will lynch literally any of these people

I know I'm supposed to have preferences but this is a fucking blitz game and people are not blitzing

you included the co-mod by accident. ive almost done that before
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Post Post #519 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:43 am

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In post 498, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
STOP VOTING ME
Vote no lynch if you have to but don't vote me. As this game is plularity I have to claim.
I AM THE DANCEMASTER. I CAN READ ALL DANCE PTS and HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHUT ONE DOWN DURING THE COURSE OF THE GAME. You can debate about this tomorrow, but TODAY it makes literally no sense to lynch a powerful town pr, ESPECIALLY considering the fact that if this role was given to scum it would be the most powerful ever. You can verify my claim when a pt is created. DON'T lynch me. I know I might get NKed, but it's better than a basically inno child getting lynched. Also the reason I reejcted the dance offer.
im at a standstill for this.
it seems more useful for scum than town.
its not even really good for town since if scum is scummy in the pt than the neighbour would mention it.
but why would you want to shut a pt down as town if its not a scum pt?
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Post Post #520 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:49 am

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In post 515, Vedith wrote:
In post 512, Eragon wrote:Just because you can "confirm" your role, doesn't mean that you confirm yourself as town
Keep in mind the confirm can only be day 3 if there is a successful dance outside of TGP.
Many ways to avoid this too.
Day 2. When the dance happens, I can immediately view the PT.
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Post Post #521 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:50 am

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In post 519, EeveeLution Army wrote:
In post 498, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
STOP VOTING ME
Vote no lynch if you have to but don't vote me. As this game is plularity I have to claim.
I AM THE DANCEMASTER. I CAN READ ALL DANCE PTS and HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHUT ONE DOWN DURING THE COURSE OF THE GAME. You can debate about this tomorrow, but TODAY it makes literally no sense to lynch a powerful town pr, ESPECIALLY considering the fact that if this role was given to scum it would be the most powerful ever. You can verify my claim when a pt is created. DON'T lynch me. I know I might get NKed, but it's better than a basically inno child getting lynched. Also the reason I reejcted the dance offer.
im at a standstill for this.
it seems more useful for scum than town.
its not even really good for town since if scum is scummy in the pt than the neighbour would mention it.
but why would you want to shut a pt down as town if its not a scum pt?
Don't want to at this stage in the game, but it's part of my role.
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Post Post #522 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:53 am

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Shutting down a PT as town would mean that Scum don't have a night PT and need to rely on the dance to join together. But if that was the case then it's way too over powered as a town role as Scum would be inclined to do this.
I couldn't see anything about PT Scum night in setup either.

Another reason why I don't think this is a town power, this setup is Scum sided.
Having the ability of having 2 lovers who can't communicate is so good for them. If 2 town people end up reading each other as town then they are basically masons with the possibility of powers. This would be the Scum counter to this.
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Post Post #523 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:54 am

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In post 520, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
In post 515, Vedith wrote:
In post 512, Eragon wrote:Just because you can "confirm" your role, doesn't mean that you confirm yourself as town
Keep in mind the confirm can only be day 3 if there is a successful dance outside of TGP.
Many ways to avoid this too.
Day 2. When the dance happens, I can immediately view the PT.
Well that's interesting to know.
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Post Post #524 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:00 am

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Remind me again, who's Scum for you TGP?
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