Open 753: Nomination Mafia [Game Over!]

[Shoshin]

Yeah, his approach to Clemency is terrible.

[Shoshin]

It's clear he left RC because he perceived a lynch there wasn't happening today.

That's fine. Why vote me over Clemency?

[Shoshin]

Why would town Wazoo think me/RC is SvS?

[Auro]

@Shoshin:
His strength in taking stances I find towny. Strong hunch it's playstyle because I feel like I've seen this kinda playstyle as town before.

RC/DT not being TvT is a fine stance for him to have taken IMO; of course it follows that he'd pick a side. I'm not so sure about him having targeted as you as a result of my push alone; it's a possibility, I'll take note of this.

Stubbornness isn't necessarily scummy IMO.

@Irre:
Yes, I agree with that - if Clemency flips red, it's pretty likely that GW could be a partner.

[Auro]

It's clear he left RC because he perceived a lynch there wasn't happening today.

That's fine. Why vote me over Clemency?

He answered this - he's fine voting Clemency, but felt he there was a better push. He clearly scumread you to a higher degree than he did Clemency - I fail to see the problem here?

[Shoshin]

I'm sorry for your failure, Auro.

[Auro]

Why would town Wazoo think me/RC is SvS?

I'm interested in Wazoo's answer to this question.

[Auro]

I'm sorry for your failure, Auro.

No, do explain - if I do scumread two players, but one more than another, what's the problem with me pushing the slot I find scummier?

[RadiantCowbells]

It's the fact that he keeps calling clemency scum and keeps finding excuses to vote town slots instead.

[scum reading]

I asked him to explain his SR townread, he said he couldn’t really
He also has offered no reasons for any townreads w/o being asked that I can think of

Do you think he was right about DT/RC having at least one scum? I don’t think so, and therefore the scum motivation to insist that there must be one is kinda obvious to me

I thought explanations “were scummy”, it’s rvs, you act like people’s reads will stay like this for the whole game. You are so inconsistent in your reads, it’s honestly amazing. You townread RC who has been townreading me on guts, but when wazoo does, he’s scum?
You’re just picking your scummies based on guts as well, you just aren’t admitting it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Dw SR I will protect you

[RadiantCowbells]

Just help us find scum

Dw about self defense

[Shoshin]

Context, Auro. The problem is that there's a pattern of looking for options that aren't Clemency as evidenced by his vote on RC over Clemency and then by his attempt to build a counter wagon on me over Clemency (a wagon that clearly had the benefit of potentially attracting your vote away from Clemency given your recent posting). He's distancing from Clemency while opportunistically looking for ways to defend him.

[scum reading]

Dw SR I will protect you

Not sure if I like this

[RadiantCowbells]

It's an RC tell.

[scum reading]

I like that you are at least willing to try rn, so I’ll try to get into your reads and see if I suspect any of the people you listed

[Shoshin]

I'm the one who said explanations are scummy, not Irrel.

[Shoshin]

Do you have any reads, SR?

[scum reading]

I was hinting at you. Now self-defence is regarded as self-conscious => scum, why would I help the people that scum read me with no basis to do so. Still sus on you shoshin, from a town perspective, why would you say explanations are scummy lmao

[Auro]

Shoshin, I get that. The timing of pushes in both cases (RC and you) is suspect, it does look like he's calculating potential attack vectors that can shift the pressure off Clemency - but this is convincing assuming Clemency himself is scum - so I'll be more convinced of it once we get a Clem red flip.

[Shoshin]

Why would I say explanations are scummy as scum, SR? Explanations are what allows scum to leave a paper trail to defend themselves later in the game.

[Irrelephant11]

I mean, pretend Clemency is town who scum would like to keep around for tomorrow’s phase, when they put two townies and a scum in the pool (which if Clemency is town, would probably be reasonable). Wazoo’s play regarding Clemency is still scummy in that case, too

Auro, who’s in your scumpool rn?

SR, rather than argue with you about the extreme difference between my read on RC and my read on GW, I’ll just refer you to my ISO, where I have already gone into detail on both. I don’t scumread you right now, though, for the record. You’re basically null for me.

[scum reading]

Shoshin scum

Rc town

Clemency null-scum after Auro pointed that clemency believed auro was town, so his attempt on pressure wasn’t even an attempt at pressure, just an attempt at stacking up votes

Wazoo null, could be one of the scums catching up to the thread and trying really hard to be active

Volxen probably scum, parks vote on me for what was an attempt at pressuring. He is also being really inactive and doesn’t post reads

That’s all I got, as my name suggests, I scum hunt, I don’t town hunt

[scum reading]

Why would I say explanations are scummy as scum, SR? Explanations are what allows scum to leave a paper trail to defend themselves later in the game.

I think the better question is why would you say explanations are scum as a town. Should we all vote according to our guts? If so, you would’ve been the first to get lynched, except I look at clues and for now, pressuring clemency is better

VOTE: Clemency

[Auro]

@Irre: I want to lynch in Clemency and Demonlord for now.
I can compromise to DoubtingThomas and Scum Reading.
If Clemency flips red I'll be inclined to lynch GrandWazoo, but independent of the association I still feel he's town.
Shoshin I'll evaluate later.