Open 753: Nomination Mafia [Game Over!]

[DoubtingThomas]

RC is the lynch today

[RadiantCowbells]

Lowest odds of scumflip fmpov and I trust my D1 reads more than yours

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I'll vote any of those 3

But I'm feeling more and more sure that everybody else is town and they decided to hard defend each other cuz nightless

[DoubtingThomas]

shut up wolf

[RadiantCowbells]

I think I convinced myself that it wasn't that easy when it obviously was

[Shoshin]

Why Wazoo over Clem/Fusco? Give me some reasons please.

[Shoshin]

I liked your reason on NSG in that other game so I'd appreciate the reasons here too.

[DoubtingThomas]

I'll say since you agreed somewhat that DT was my secret townread

I'm not even rly townreading you

hello? like what is this shit

[Irrelephant11]

I'll say since you agreed somewhat that DT was my secret townread

I'm not even rly townreading you

hello? like what is this shit

RC being RC
Who are you appealing to here?

[DoubtingThomas]

people who are not voting RC

[RadiantCowbells]

Wazoo random insistence that me DT was SvS, keeps calling Clemency scum but refuses to vote. Yuck.
Clemency random discredit of my DT read by saying it was all meaningless. No real GW interactions.
DT discrediting scumreads on both of them, playing this game like he's a fucking dumbass, and this kind of power defend scumteam play is typical of MU and he would advocate it. Also the fact that they're voting town as a block.

[RadiantCowbells]

I liked your reason on NSG in that other game so I'd appreciate the reasons here too.

You can't say this....

[DoubtingThomas]

or RC is just scum and 3 towns found him and he's melting down and constantly lyinga nd pushing scum agenda

what is more likely

[Irrelephant11]

DT can you go more int your Wazoo townread

[RadiantCowbells]

Also they're very scummy as individuals

Only demonlord is the same tier of individually scummy

[DoubtingThomas]

Almost half this thread has been RC vs. DT so I'll focus on them. There's almost no chance this is TvT. Proceeding from this premise, once you filter out the ad hom stuff RC comes off much scummier.

This seems like a town reaction:

you are constantly saying dumb stuff and contradicting yourself with ' i didn't push you/vote you', 'you should have more respect to my town game and just sheep me', 'if i didn't see you scum in brides, i would scum read you'

No contradictions.

When I said that, it was true.
When I said you should respect my town game enough that when I tell you that your reason for scumreading someone is garbage, you don't double down on it, yeah, true.
The only reason I considered you as potential town ever this game is because I've already seen you game throw level perform as town. This is already several tiers below PB

no you pushed me for numerous pages. you dont just constantly interact with me to one post before voting me and pretend to not have pushed me

having respect for your town game, again, has nothing to do with this game and you were using that to try to influence my scum read on volxen. that's asinine that you think i should just sheep you because you played well as town previously

i also asked you what you thought of my first scum game against you in merchant's. were you disappointed? is it similar to here? why aren't you using all the meta you know to judge my game here?

This does not:

The hallmark of rvs is wagons based on nothing. Defending it is . . . counterproductive?

I would prefer votes not be placed at all

And there's a difference between being wrong and being belligerent and obnoxious and wrong.

Sure. When people keep telling you your read is bad your reaction shouldn't be to double down.

keep pushing me. i am just gonna wait until someone else posts something of value

I'm not voting you. I'm not pushing you. I'm telling you to stop.

I don't think you're actually reading as opposed to just saying what reactions you think make you look townier

VOTE: doubting Thomas

Now I'm voting you

Having never played with these two (or anyone else this game for that matter), it's possible from their history that they don't like each other and that these exchanges would happen regardless of alignment. It's also possible that they're both scum, engaging in an extended choreographed drama to distract town. Unlikely, but possible.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

ETA: sorry for the wall, my attempts to put quotes inside spoiler tags didn't work.

I agree with his post here. He also never says me/RC are S vs S. just says we are never T vT. so RC is lying again

[RadiantCowbells]

When I said SvS I meant not TvT.

[Shoshin]

Why don't you agree that Fusco's scummy? What makes him towny?

[DoubtingThomas]

and that's in a game with two townies who have like nonexistent scum range: people were more uncertain about NSG than anon!myself. my original reputation on this site was for being unlynchable. etc.

How and when did this change for you?

but sure. blame me for being pissed off that my town game is being sandbagged by something that is literally nothing to do with my towngame itself.
if i was losing games because I was actually not towny enough, because my reads weren't good enough, because I couldn't lead lynches well enough, that's something to work on
But when I'm literally having games thrown because I'm good as scum and I can't stop it and I can't ever have a town wr as good as people worse on all of the above categories than me?

it's pretty fucked up.

Since I've never played with you, I can only go off this game. If/when I have the time I'll go read some of your past games.

Meanwhile why did you move off your DT vote to Clemency?

I mean, I get a wolfy vibe from him too and could see voting him at some point, but after pushing DT (you say you weren't but it sure looked that way to me) and voting him, you jumped off his wagon right quick.

This was the other post I liked frmo him. This is a townie thought process and question asking. Doesn't feel like, "I am scum reading clemency, but I am not gonna vote them" but more like "RC, why did you vote clemency over DT without any real reason? seems opportunistic"-like townie posting

[DoubtingThomas]

I'll say since you agreed somewhat that DT was my secret townread

I'm not even rly townreading you

hello? like what is this shit

what is this RC

[RadiantCowbells]

Why don't you agree that Fusco's scummy? What makes him towny?

The reasons to scumread him are worse than other people and I've always been easily able to see his iso as coming from town

[DoubtingThomas]

It's not fair that I have to try to decide whether clearly bad faith scumreads on me are town or scum every game

Bad faith? You've done some scummy shit this game my dude. Others may buy into your pity party routine, not me.

That's how I feel too.

Aww look, Harry and Sally are back together.

Fuck you, RC.

You're a massive dick sometimes.

This from the player constantly complaining about lack of decorum in this game.

Loath as I am to let RC get away with his emotionally manipulative shenanigans, his wagon's stalled. Congrats RC, you're unlynchable again...

VOTE: shoshin

@GW's 720:
1. Re: Policy lynches, Why not? I'd be against a policy lynch on RC for "being too good as scum", for example; but you could call my Clemency push an effective policy-lynch too since I can imagine his play coming from town as well (from experience).

My point was not about policy-lynches per se, but about Shoshin's hypocrisy in wanting DT modkilled.

2. "Only scum would know who's nominated" - I think this is a stretch, and she's clearly speaking in context, you're interpreting the intent of the post wrongly.

Combined with her argument "well we can always lynch RC D2" assuming RC would be nominated in the first place, is a scum mindset. As is "you know I'll defend you D1" Esp. when RC was openly and repeatedly declaring his intention to ragequit.

3. About the "if you push me I'll push you" - I brought the same point up in my push, and her rebuttal was that it was her applying a BoP to RC. While I don't like it much, can you not see this coming from town?

I didn't buy her rebuttal at all.

I keep mindmelding a lot with him. I can now see why RC thinks we are a "team" hard defending each other, but we are mindmelding like crazy so i innately town read him a lot i guess.

Maybe he is scum who is just using points I've pointed out, but he is pointing out the exact same scum poins I pointed out on RC and shoshin.

maybe I am biased, but I also see his independent thinking from the other posts he has made and questions he has been asking and the reaction he made to others pressuring him earlier on.

[DoubtingThomas]

yeah wazoo is never getting lynched today sorry scum

[DoubtingThomas]

this is what's called double down, RC. Are you gonna push me for doubling down again??

[RadiantCowbells]

Yes