Greatest Idea VIII - Game Over

[brassherald]

Oh, my bad. I did not read that far down.

UNVOTE:

[Irrelephant11]

95% sure for setup three let me check

VOTE: Elsa btw

[Irrelephant11]

Yeah I had it for setup 3

[brassherald]

Yeah I had it for setup 3

Did you use it for role or alignment?

[Irrelephant11]

I’m not sure I’m ready to claim that

[brassherald]

I’m not sure I’m ready to claim that

Well, you've already claimed using the card...

[Irrelephant11]

I sure have

[Irrelephant11]

If I can counterclaim scum without giving too much away that is the path I will take for now

[brassherald]

Well, I don't trust you.

[Irrelephant11]

Okay

[Irrelephant11]

If you think judas is my alignment, I don’t see why you wouldn’t trust me
If you think Judas is my role, my alignment could be anything, so I don’t see why you would trust me less than rand
Elsa clearly used the Judas card to threaten negative consequences if lynched, so I cc’d. Your pressure for me to fullclaim doesn’t ring towny

[Elsa Jay]

Greatest Idea variant

If you draw this card in Greatest Idea Mafia, bear in mind that the Judas ability is an ALIGNMENT effect, not an ability. You can be a Judas Doctor, for example, but not a Town Judas. This card's ability for the purposes of Greatest Idea Mafia is Vanilla.

He doesn't even know what the card is correctly. It's only really usable as an alignment card.

And why wouldn't you use your Lover card as an Alignment? Why discard that but keep Judas for alignment? Normal people would discard it.

Fake ass claim, Ele.

[Alchemist21]

I was gonna ask why Irrelephant would counterclaim if he didn’t have the card and then I remembered Lyncher exists.

[Irrelephant11]

I haven’t yet said I used Judas for alignment, Elsa

Sure, it’s possible I’m an Elsa lyncher
Seems like Occam’s razor is that Elsa fake claimed Judas to avoid the lynch and I cc’d because I’m town

[Alchemist21]

Allo discarded one Lyncher card but it’s not impossible Irrelephant has the second.

I still think Elsa should be resolved through Night Actions.

[Elsa Jay]

The above Lyncher is discarded and I'm not below him in the playerlist.

Alch, you don't use the Judas card as an ability pick because that's only Vanilla. He's claiming HE used Judas as an alignment and not me.

I don't see a world where Ele isn't scum here, and I know I'm the Judas so lynching him seems right.

VOTE: Irrelephant

If we don't lynch him, well, you got me ready to shoot his ass tonight to prove my claim.

[Chemist1422]

Here's an idea

Don't lynch between the people whose claims heavily punish town if we lynch wrong

Let them resolve via nightkills

[Irrelephant11]

Fine, I’ll full claim
Judas is my role - I’m Vanilla
I had lover/vt/Judas

I don’t like changing alignments, and I felt lover would be negative utility since I’m rarely mislynched

Pedit: but me being nightkilled wouldn’t prove my or Elsa’s claim
It would just prove Elsa has a nightkill

[Chemist1422]

Fine, I’ll full claim
Judas is my role - I’m Vanilla
I had lover/vt/Judas

I don’t like changing alignments, and I felt lover would be negative utility since I’m rarely mislynched

Pedit: but me being nightkilled wouldn’t prove my or Elsa’s claim
It would just prove Elsa has a nightkill

If you die and flip not judas Elsa's probably Judas

If Elsa dies and flips not judas you're probably Judas

If either of you die and flip Judas the other is lying and therefore scum

[Elsa Jay]

VT is a safe ass claim with 12 of them around, Ele. And you could have had the same effect if you'd have tossed Judas instead. So you are a liar.

Tossing the the Judas card and using Lover as alignment would have been what town ELE would have done. He's not town.

[brassherald]

Could be mafia trying to recruit Judas vig

[brassherald]

Two NKs night 1 is a good trade for three days wasted on Elsa twice then irrelephant

[Elsa Jay]

Well then we can lynch him. I'm town as long as I don't get lynched.

Watcher and/or Town protective on me so I can make my shot in peace tonight.

[brassherald]

I don't want to lynch either possible Judases, to be honest. We can sort with night actions

[Micc]

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