Open 753: Nomination Mafia [Game Over!]

Shoshin · Post Post #2325 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:05 am

I'm worried you're scum, Auro.

Auro · Post Post #2326 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:07 am

What are your concerns?

Shoshin · Post Post #2327 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:08 am

What's the difference between your play here and your play as scum?

Shoshin · Post Post #2328 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:08 am

Can you identify any town tells?

Shoshin · Post Post #2329 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:10 am

I feel unmoored.

I usually have townreads that I can count on.

And now I don't trust anything.

Auro · Post Post #2330 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:12 am

As far as I know, I play virtually identically.
I've been told my tone's more "frozen" as scum and natural as town, by a few players like Irrelephant and The Worst. I personally don't see much of a difference.

One towntell for me is being sorta 'lost' in the game, but I've felt comfortable here so far.

Auro · Post Post #2331 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:13 am

Was it the Fusco flip that got you unmoored, or the general lack of motivation?

Shoshin · Post Post #2332 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:14 am

Nobody seems to care except me.

Shoshin · Post Post #2333 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:15 am

You don't feel different when you play as scum? That sounds like a lie.

Auro · Post Post #2334 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:15 am

Shoshin, you've had first-hand experience of my scumgame.
Feel free to re-evaluate my slot if you're paranoid about me being scum this game.

Alonzo · Post Post #2335 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:16 am

In post 991, Shoshin wrote:Hey Wazoo, I get the feeling you're ready to throw in the towel. Can you save us some trouble by confirming who your partners are?

In post 1168, Shoshin wrote:I'm still waiting on answers to my questions from Wazoo. I don't get why he's ignoring some while answering others. It's like he doesn't want me to townread him.

In post 1199, Shoshin wrote:Wazoo's playing pretty badly regardless of alignment.

In post 1215, Shoshin wrote:Do you think Wazoo's been coached on how to behave?

In post 1221, Shoshin wrote:Why is Wazoo scum, RC? Point me to the key posts.

In post 1231, Shoshin wrote:I can't distinguish whether Wazoo's terribleness means he's bad town or bad scum. How are you distinguishing?

In post 1298, Shoshin wrote:VOTE: Wazoo

In post 1320, Shoshin wrote:I'm scum because I think RC's town? Are you serious, Wazoo? If you're town how do you even know RC's scum? Why can't he be a misguided townie from your perspective?

In post 1321, Shoshin wrote:
In post 1319, DoubtingThomas wrote:i dont understand your town motive in having a sole wazoo wagon for hours and hours
What's the town motive for Wazoo to have a sole RC wagon for days and days?

Up to end of the first page of the iso, dividinv attention between two townies (gw&fusc) but scum reading them for playing town less than optimally

Auro · Post Post #2336 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:16 am

In post 2333, Shoshin wrote:You don't feel different when you play as scum? That sounds like a lie.

Of course I push a scum agenda and so when I'm scum; but I'm talking about general gameplay re: appearing like scumhunting.

Shoshin · Post Post #2337 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:16 am

Help me understand your thinking on the game, then. It feels like you're just sheeping. You sheeped RC on Wazoo. You sheeped me on Fusco. Where's your own thought process?

Auro · Post Post #2338 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:17 am

In post 2332, Shoshin wrote:Nobody seems to care except me.

You haven't even given everyone the chance to post yet, though?

Shoshin · Post Post #2339 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:18 am

Please convince Alonzo that I'm town. You saw first-hand my scum game so you know this isn't it. Volx knows as well.

Alonzo · Post Post #2340 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:19 am

In post 1332, Shoshin wrote:How often do your scumreads flip scum, Wazoo?

In post 1333, Shoshin wrote:And I checked your games, Wazoo, so don't lie.

In post 1351, Shoshin wrote:It's also besides the point since your play here is so different from your town play. And your reasons for scumreading RC & me are actually terrible, and if you were town you would have moved off us already.

In post 1376, Shoshin wrote:
In post 1368, GrandWazoo wrote:Shoshin what scummy things have I done THIS game?
Scumreading me for things that aren't scummy. Scumreading RC for things that aren't scummy. Continuing to scumread me/RC despite having all your concerns addressed. Lack of fluidity in your reads. Lack of any attempt to consider other possibilities. Lack of questioning. Lack of new reads after you decided to scumread me/RC. Lack of any attempt to find third scum. Lack of development in your townreads. Internal inconsistency when it comes to scumreading me/RC while townreading Irrelephant/DT. Awkward interaction with DT/Clemency. Awkward phrasing, especially when changing votes. Opportunistic voting patterns. Unnatural dumb tells. Ignoring my questions for days. Repeatedly misrepresenting me/RC. Pretending meta isn't relevant.

In post 1406, Shoshin wrote:
In post 1401, Irrelephant11 wrote:All I’m saying is in the case that he’s town he won’t be showing it any time soon if you are criticizing him as he tries to re enter the thread
I'm not "criticizing" his play, I'm doing my best to read his alignment based on what he's posted. He's not giving me much to work with so I have to read what's there. His lack of scumhunting is scummy. His lack of motivation to scumhunt is scummy. And his vote on RC earlier was scummy. How the hell are you townreading this, Irrel?

In post 1468, Shoshin wrote:Are you actually town? I don't believe you.

So yeah... Barely a mention of gw or fusc first two days

Auro · Post Post #2341 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:22 am

In post 2337, Shoshin wrote:Help me understand your thinking on the game, then. It feels like you're just sheeping. You sheeped RC on Wazoo. You sheeped me on Fusco. Where's your own thought process?

Go read back in the context in which I sheeped RC and tell me if you still think I was 'just sheeping', because I disagree with that assessment.
Yes, I just sheeped you on Fusco - because I thought he was scum too, and thought he legit slipped, and BoP.

Shoshin · Post Post #2342 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:23 am

Are you town, Alonzo? If so, why are you scumreading me for scumreading a slot that RC scumread? What's scummy about this?

Auro · Post Post #2343 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:23 am

In post 2339, Shoshin wrote:Please convince Alonzo that I'm town. You saw first-hand my scum game so you know this isn't it. Volx knows as well.

There's a

strong

reason to townread you, but I want to see who else is wanting to lynch you in the moment as well.

Shoshin · Post Post #2344 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:24 am

In post 1369, Auro wrote:Wazoo, you seem rather focused on RC/Shoshin; I've also agreed with the scumread on you and am sheeping RC on to you, what's your read on me?

Auro, you called yourself a sheep.

Shoshin · Post Post #2345 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:26 am

Alonzo, have you read the entire game in context or have you just read the iso?

Alonzo · Post Post #2346 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:27 am

In post 2342, Shoshin wrote:Are you town, Alonzo? If so, why are you scumreading me for scumreading a slot that RC scumread? What's scummy about this?

Because RC was having a mare, getting sucked into (intentionally or not) 1v1s with DT and to a lesser extent clem, and I believe scum was hiding in the wake of this mess

Alonzo · Post Post #2347 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:27 am

Iv read the entire game twice, both times you came up number oe suspect.

Shoshin · Post Post #2348 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:28 am

Auro, you need to convince this fool that I'm town or I can't play this game.

Auro · Post Post #2349 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:29 am

In post 2344, Shoshin wrote:
In post 1369, Auro wrote:Wazoo, you seem rather focused on RC/Shoshin; I've also agreed with the scumread on you and am sheeping RC on to you, what's your read on me?
Auro, you called yourself a sheep.

Yes, so?
You would also notice I had reads on other slots and was even trying to push elsewhere; used the sheep vote to continue sorting Wazoo, and wanted additional time towards the end of the day when RC threatened to replace out.