Open 753: Nomination Mafia [Game Over!]

[Shoshin]

??? Does my post baffle you or what? I don't get it

You're saying Vedith is town when he hasn't flipped yet???

My whole point of view is that you are scum that said "Lynch vedith and if he flips town, lynch sr next". If I believe you are scum, you are the informed minority, so, as an informed minority scum, you say lynch vedith, he will flip town and then you'll follow my lynch through.

This whole case comes from my paranoia because you gave up your strongest town read, which was a lazy tr by the way, since it's true, I've been a lurker this game, and it looks like you took me with you up to this point and then you just throw me like bait. I'm the easiest bait because of my lack of content. I just don't get why you'd say that, I've townread you up until you post that shit, we had the same scum reads and all, why do you post something like that if not as an attempt to try and survive when being pushed?

You're saying I'm informed because I'm using conditional reasoning? You're the one revealing an informed perspective here.

[Vedith]

No, I don't think you'd be dodging all my questions about reads as town Vedith. It makes all your reads seem faked.

If you know my Scum meta you know I answer as Scum. I make cases as Scum.
You know that if I'm Scum here then there's actually a high chance Chen is Scum too.
And if I'm town here, there's still a high chance.

But that's only if you know my meta as well as you are pushing.

[Shoshin]

You also didn't townread me yesterday, SR. I had to town case myself to get that townread.

[Vedith]

I still think it's the DT/Chen/Vedith team. It's the least complicated solve. And they gave us a nice gift by nominating themselves to help us test it during even phase.

Then vote Chen.
You lose nothing by lynching Chen today over me.

[Shoshin]

I need to get a read on SR. He just destroyed all shred of towniness he built in the game with that informed read on Vedith's flip.

[Shoshin]

I'd like to hear from Chen before lynching.

[scum reading]

I believe I have stated numerous times that I didn't want you lynched and you are town. I have town read you, until this point.

[Shoshin]

Please clarify all your reads in the game, SR.

[scum reading]

Well, you just fucked up all of my reads, not going to lie with those shady ass posts

[Shoshin]

There's no shady posts. What are you talking about?

[Shoshin]

Conditional reasoning isn't shady. WTF.

[Shoshin]

Why do you have a death wish, SR?

[Shoshin]

I can't tell anymore if it's bad town or bad scum.

[Alonzo]

VOTE: shoshin

[scum reading]

You are interpreting my words in the wrong way. I was paranoid at you, because it looked like you were planning on setting a lot more mislynches to get yourself out of a lynch. That's all.

[scum reading]

As for reads {me,Alonzo,Volxen,Auro,Shoshin,DT,Vedith,Chennis}

Towniest -> scummiest

This is where I'm at for now, reads will most likely change post-flip.

[Shoshin]

Please reply to this, SR:

Spoiler:

Just like she did. We were given a roadmap to victory from irrelephant. The main reason I was tring shoshin was because she promised she'd stick with it, but when we have the opportunity to lynch chennis, she starts accusing you and after hardcore defending me, she doubts her reads so you town read her.

So it just makes me believe both her and chennis are most likely scum.

You were townreading me because I promised to stick with Irrelephant's road map to victory? Please reference the posts where Irrelephant provides such a map, the posts where I promise to stick with it after Irrelephant's death, and the posts where you townread me as a result.

Fuck it, I'm done with this game.

I'll stick around to sheep Auro since he's the only person making sense.

You have just changed one of your strongest town reads to a scum read like it's nothing. Do you believe you're making sense?

Of course I get paranoid of your alignment if you are willing to throw me as bait like that. It seemed like you just wanted to do anything to survive.

What townread did I change to a scumread like it was nothing? I'm here saying to lynch Vedith, the guy who keeps scumreading you. What do you think that means about my read on you?

You're the one who went from townreading me to suddenly scumreading me based on actually nothing. Why are you projecting your own behaviors onto me? Why are you assuming that Vedith will flip town when reading my alignment? And don't say you're not assuming Vedith is town, because the only way it makes sense for you to scumread me is if you say that I'm setting up a chain mislynch, which assumes that Vedith is town, something I never did.

Vedith, you're just swinging at everything you can to get me lynched. Other than me coasting shoshin (which has been refuted with my vote) you have nothing on me.

Get to lynching real scummies, because you're plain wrong about my alignment.

Why are you trying to refute Vedith's case on you by scumreadnig me? Based on this, do you think it's reasonable for me to conclude that the reason you scumread me is for survival?

[Shoshin]

This is where I'm at for now, reads will most likely change post-flip.

Why are you scumreading me for saying my reads might change post-flip?

[Shoshin]

This is where I'm at for now, reads will most likely change post-flip.

The phrase "reads will most likely change post-flip" implies an informed perspective about the flip. Do you realize that?

[scum reading]

Fus/Chennis/??

post = after. After you get a role, reads changed based on the people that have pushed that role and other factors. You've lost me after your 2517 and 2518, I can't actually see what you want from me. I don't understand 2517 at all and I don't know what you're trying to say in your 2518 either..

[scum reading]

Elaborate so I can respond to whatever you want from me

[scum reading]

That quote was addressing your spoiler, ignore it.

[scum reading]

I am saying reads will change post-flip regardless of who we lynch. Not specifically you, if that's what you meant.

[scum reading]

This is in regards to your request, Shoshin:

Spoiler:

You were townreading me because I promised to stick with Irrelephant's road map to victory? Please reference the posts where Irrelephant provides such a map, the posts where I promise to stick with it after Irrelephant's death, and the posts where you townread me as a result.

Irrelephant's road to victory was her saying we should sheep your vote. I agreed with that, and the town read wasn't based on you accepting to follow irrelephant's plan, but rather because of your mutual scum read which was Fus and your town case. Me saying you will stick to irrelephant's plan was a bit inaccurate, you haven't stated it, but from town!shoshin pov, that's what you would've done. And you did, you voted off fus.

I'm done efforting in this game until I know whether I survive. You have the road map to victory, that's all you need.

Fus/Chennis/??

I don’t care who gets lynched at this rate
Everyone take your pick tbh
I’ll work hard to follow through with Shoshin’s plan if she flips town
I’m fine being lynched here
Volxen kinda didn’t respond to a few questions people asked him I think but idk

Fus first
Yeah nvm about activity tell

Everyone on my wagon, sheep shoshin in my honor thank u

What townread did I change to a scumread like it was nothing? I'm here saying to lynch Vedith, the guy who keeps scumreading you. What do you think that means about my read on you?

It was the scum read on me. I misconstrued it that way, being a scum read on me, I only now get your intentions. It was the heat of the moment for me to believe you had bad intentions, since you were getting heavily scum read.

You're the one who went from townreading me to suddenly scumreading me based on actually nothing. Why are you projecting your own behaviors onto me? Why are you assuming that Vedith will flip town when reading my alignment? And don't say you're not assuming Vedith is town, because the only way it makes sense for you to scumread me is if you say that I'm setting up a chain mislynch, which assumes that Vedith is town, something I never did.

I've explained this above, I do recognise my faulty logic, again, it was the spur of the moment.

Why are you trying to refute Vedith's case on you by scumreadnig me? Based on this, do you think it's reasonable for me to conclude that the reason you scumread me is for survival?

Vedith doesn't even really have a case on me. I voted you based on the above explanation, and by that I wanted to prove him that his accusation on me was worthless. It is reasonable for you to conclude it was an attempt at survival as well, I don't blame you for it, but, again, this was all based on my self-doubt and lack of confidence in my reads. I do have a tendency to trust other people because I think my reads suck. An example of this is in Dinner Donner Party, where I kept pushing a lynch on a scum on day two, but nobody chose to back me up on my case and as a result, I followed the counter-wagon that my scum read has started because townies were on it. Everyone doubted my reads, and so have I. That's why I haven't really made a case this whole game, I'm actually confused on potential scum targets. I'm not that sure on anyone other than chennisden at the moment.

[ejjinami]

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