Mini 2065 - Access Point [Endgame]

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #650 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:34 am

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=75025

Here's just one game in question where policy copping me was brought up

RCE is my sole ??? In the general townreads
I'd be a lot happier with you as a backup plan

But no one is getting access pointed until insomnia is dead

insomnia · Post Post #651 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:34 am

In post 645, DrDolittle wrote:
In post 640, insomnia wrote:Are you joking me? You want him to send the both of his scum buddies on AP and the post-flip is what matters to you? When RC is the only scum flip? Lmao
who's the second scum buddy you think, insomnia

If you let RC live day 2, his push will tell you who the second buddy is

My whole scenario was this:

I went from the premise that RC is town. RC pushes town NSG.

If RC doesn't get nked, we're letting RC push a second town read. When that town read reaches L-1 or L-2, we dayvig RC to prove he was town and he didn't send scum!NSG on AP in the first day. If he flips town, we're pushing through with his town read, sending his town read to PT with town!NSG that has been confirmed after RC flips.

This is an infallible scenario and the person we send on day 3 doesn't matter. That person gets lynched in the AP PT. Please point out how this strategy is shit.

And also explain why RC doesn't want to push through with this simple yet effective plan. I wonder why he doesn't want to flip, hmmmm

northsidegal · Post Post #652 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:35 am

In post 512, insomnia wrote:The vig shot on RC is if he flips scum, then there is a really high chance of NSG being scum with him.

I'm town regardless of whether RC is town or not (although I think that he is). There is no universe in which me and RC are both scum here and the decision is made to send me. It just doesn't happen.

In post 531, DrDolittle wrote:VOTE: drdo
You know what I want lion to check in.
Before that i'm still the best person to send to AP.

What are your reads?

What changed your mind?

In post 577, insomnia wrote:It was a guess, I don't meta read.

Explain this? You "guessed" that RC is a great scum player..?

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #653 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:35 am

RC has consented to being lynched copped or vigged like twice in his entire professional career but you already know that, don't you?

insomnia · Post Post #654 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:35 am

In post 647, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 637, RadiantCowbells wrote:#1 mafia god insomnia
You can't do it until the game is over

Be sure to include the context and both of our alignments

Do I put it only if I'm mafia this game, or what was the context

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #655 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:36 am

NSG he's just scum

Please please please back me up here

insomnia · Post Post #656 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:36 am

In post 652, northsidegal wrote:
In post 512, insomnia wrote:The vig shot on RC is if he flips scum, then there is a really high chance of NSG being scum with him.
I'm town regardless of whether RC is town or not (although I think that he is). There is no universe in which me and RC are both scum here and the decision is made to send me. It just doesn't happen.

In post 531, DrDolittle wrote:VOTE: drdo
You know what I want lion to check in.
Before that i'm still the best person to send to AP.
What are your reads?

What changed your mind?

In post 577, insomnia wrote:It was a guess, I don't meta read.
Explain this? You "guessed" that RC is a great scum player..?

He has a date under his profile, says he joined since 2013? Call it a

wild

guess

insomnia · Post Post #657 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:37 am

In post 654, insomnia wrote:
In post 647, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 637, RadiantCowbells wrote:#1 mafia god insomnia
You can't do it until the game is over

Be sure to include the context and both of our alignments
Do I put it only if I'm mafia this game, or what was the context

Can you answer me on this

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #658 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:37 am

Wow I must be a great scum player because I joined in 2013

That's how I know guy in freezer is a good scum player

insomnia · Post Post #659 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:37 am

Like, if I flip town, do I get to put it in my sig, or?

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #660 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:38 am

Sure but include my alignment as well.

insomnia · Post Post #661 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:38 am

In post 651, insomnia wrote:
In post 645, DrDolittle wrote:
In post 640, insomnia wrote:Are you joking me? You want him to send the both of his scum buddies on AP and the post-flip is what matters to you? When RC is the only scum flip? Lmao
who's the second scum buddy you think, insomnia
If you let RC live day 2, his push will tell you who the second buddy is

My whole scenario was this:

I went from the premise that RC is town. RC pushes town NSG.

If RC doesn't get nked, we're letting RC push a second town read. When that town read reaches L-1 or L-2, we dayvig RC to prove he was town and he didn't send scum!NSG on AP in the first day. If he flips town, we're pushing through with his town read, sending his town read to PT with town!NSG that has been confirmed after RC flips.

This is an infallible scenario and the person we send on day 3 doesn't matter. That person gets lynched in the AP PT. Please point out how this strategy is shit.

And also explain why RC doesn't want to push through with this simple yet effective plan. I wonder why he doesn't want to flip, hmmmm

@NSG and DrDo, please, give your thoughts on this and let me know if I'm the dumbest town player for this strategy. Thanks.

northsidegal · Post Post #662 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:38 am

In post 655, RadiantCowbells wrote:NSG he's just scum

Please please please back me up here

I don't townread him in the slightest, no. I also think that he's probably being dishonest about his knowledge of you. I've kind of wanted to say roster/insomnia as some kind of team for a while now, but it's a little surface level for the amount of research i've done.

I'm not going to get into some stupid 30 page 1v1. It doesn't matter. I don't think he should be sent to AP (don't think I ever have).

Does

anybody

agree with what he's saying?

insomnia · Post Post #663 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:39 am

In post 660, RadiantCowbells wrote:Sure but include my alignment as well.

Actually, if this is a Town vs Town, that would be really funny to put in my sig

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #664 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:40 am

The idea is that if you're town I don't want you misrepresenting it as an endorsement of your town game.

insomnia · Post Post #665 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:40 am

So my town game is trash?

northsidegal · Post Post #666 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:40 am

In post 661, insomnia wrote:@NSG and DrDo, please, give your thoughts on this and let me know if I'm the dumbest town player for this strategy. Thanks.

You shouldn't need to listen to RC to see that I'm town. That seems to be the crux of your point and it's fundamentally flawed.

Like, guess what? RC always gets me dayvigged or hard busses me here if we're both scum. There's no universe in which sending me first is the plan, and especially no universe in which RC openly tells me that he doesn't want himself to be sent along with me because he's concerned that I'll mislynch him.

It's not realistic.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #667 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:41 am

Not that, of course, I believe that you ever are.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #668 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:42 am

In post 665, insomnia wrote:So my town game is trash?

If this is it? yeah.

DrDolittle · Post Post #669 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:42 am

In post 652, northsidegal wrote: What changed your mind?

I like this question. In this scenario, I nullread you, town read RC. Now TGP voted you. I said, I could follow conf town as according to plan. But then I realized conf town doesn't have to be right. In fact I trust in myself (100 percent that I'm town), but the issue is I might not be able to rally enough support to send myself to AP.

However, if GL also thought you were town, that's two conf town voices that I can listen to, and barring some odd co-variation, the likelihood that both of them are wrong is more unlikely, so I'm holding off sending you to AP unless GL also agrees that you are town.

My reads? I have town read on RC and RCE and DT. but none of them enough that I would bet the game on them (i.e. let them dictate 2 AP sends)

insomnia · Post Post #670 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:43 am

So what is the problem? I don't get it. It's simple fucking common sense and it's logical, why are people reluctant to say this is a good strategy? Like, we do lose RC day 2, but it ensures that NSG is not scum and he is sending two townies on the god damn PT. What's so wrong about this? Even if we send a scum without RC being alive (which I think it's rather rude, RC, to not believe in us if you're town), you would just lynch them as soon as they get into the PT.

How is my logic flawed??????

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #671 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:43 am

I would think that goes without saying given how much hell you've put me through and I'm town. I don't believe you are, I think you're fixating on this to try to towntell by talking about the universe in which you're town, but I don't like you pressuring me to replace out regardless of your alignment so.

insomnia · Post Post #672 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:44 am

I'm not pressuring you to replace out in anyway, I made a joke. You are the one that wants to replace out, not me.

insomnia · Post Post #673 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:45 am

I'm trying to provide you with a decent strategy, why are you calling my town game trash? It's the best strategy we have and it is infallible.

insomnia · Post Post #674 (ISO) » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:46 am

I actually think I'm really decent this game, at least I'm trying to game solve while other people sit quietly and watch us fight. I gave a good plan. Why is it not good?