Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Ankamius]

ankamius how would you feel if I told you that you were my second favorite person in this playerlist :]

:V

you said my reads are dogshit though

[Prince of Renais]

i was mad that you lynched buj

pls forgive

[Prince of Renais]

i'm not sure when you went from that random person that i mislynched in a bunch of games and never interacted with otherwise to a person i thought was pretty cool but you are a person i think is pretty cool

[Ankamius]

Also I don't understand people in this game.

What is this mentality of "I don't want to lynch scummy players because they do not give much info."

Like hello? We're still lynching scum?

this is a low info game solely because of how the nightkills work

maximizing information so that the people who are eventually going to get ignited can get their piece in is a lot more helpful than catching two scum and letting the third nuzzle into a comfortable spot to wait out the rest of the game, which is exactly the type of strategy I look to counter while I'm still alive to do so

it's possible that isn't what's happening in this case but I still want to make damn sure that it doesn't end up biting us in the ass, because any scum in the lynchbait slots literally doesn't matter compared to them

[Ankamius]

i was mad that you lynched buj

pls forgive :(

i'm not sure when you went from that random person that i mislynched in a bunch of games and never interacted with otherwise to a person i thought was pretty cool but you are a person i think is pretty cool :]

<3

probably because now that we both calmed down, it's actually pretty apparent we can get along just fine lol

[Prince of Renais]

nvm I guess. I just didn't want you to think I was like actually mad about the mislynch or actually disliked you or thought your reads were bad or anything.

pedit yay

[Ankamius]

Do you all not realize that, especially with this mechanic - ESPECIALLY if BuJ was doused, although we don’t know this - lynching town isn’t necessarily the worst if it gives info. Most agree on that; however, most are mad at ME for trying to coordinate SOME type of lynch when the rest of the townblock has been shown to lack this ability? IIRC TWICE yesterday was someone at L-1 with no hammer. Do you really think town is going to win with a bunch of indecisiveness floating around? While BuJ’s lynch may have been wrong, it is the precursor to picking a lynch as a block and sticking with it - the way it should be - win or lose.

I'll have to relook to double check this as true but this looks town at a glance

[Ankamius]

I'm not convinced on McQueen. Someone explain it for me?

Sure. It comes down to these 3 posts being the worst progression in the entire game:

So there’s scum in {PR, Alisae, and Rei} ? Scum team found already ?

dang got em VOTE: Rei.

Seriously tho im pretty sure at least one scum is in those three if not more.

Lemme throw it out there that while Eagles play is bad i think its bad town and anyone voting him is looking scummy rn. Yes you grapes

He votes Rei yet simultaneously calls grapes scummy while his wagon is at 6 votes. (this is also just after grapes' infamous catch-up post) It looks like scum hoping they don't have to bus but know they can't outright ignore the wagon.

Additionally, mcqueen goes from asking for more time to meta Buj yesterday, to dropping that and strong-arming EE into hammering, despite simultaneously pushing two other random/vanity slots at this same time.

does mcqueen strike you as the kind of player to hardbus in that scenario or the type to hedge like that?

that's an important distinction for whether that particular point is scum-indicative or null

[Dannflor]

does mcqueen strike you as the kind of player to hardbus in that scenario or the type to hedge like that?

that's an important distinction for whether that particular point is scum-indicative or null

I think my answer should be obvious if I think those posts point to scum!mcqueen.

I haven't done a meta dive on mcqueen or have any other experience with him, but I don't really think he's been active enough to be able to or be able to benefit from hard bussing. He would've been hopping on the wagon pretty late.

Votecount 1.FINAL

grapes(9)

~ Reiuji Utsuho⁽⁷³⁾, Extrapolated Eagle⁽²³³⁾, Prince of Renais⁽¹³⁵⁾, Jingle⁽¹⁶⁵⁾, Alisae⁽¹⁴⁵⁾, Shoshin⁽¹⁶⁵⁾, NerfedBuJ⁽⁴³⁾, Clemency⁽¹³⁾, Lycanfire⁽²⁵⁾

-- HAMMER

NerfedBuJ(2)

~ Vedith⁽⁹⁰⁾, DrDolittle⁽⁴⁷⁾

Reiuji Utsuho(1)

~ mcqueen⁽²²⁾

Prince of Renais(1)

~ Xtoxm⁽²¹⁾

Extrapolated Eagle(1)

~ grapes⁽²¹⁾


Not Voting (3): Gamma Emerald⁽¹⁸⁾, Dannflor⁽¹⁵⁵⁾, Karmeleon⁽³³⁾

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-19 22:19:59)

Additionally, I'm not scum reading anyone still alive who was on the grapes wagon. The most likely slot is Clemency/Max, but I don't really think that's scum. Assuming that isn't horribly wrong, scum had to have been hedging or otherwise avoiding the wagon.

[Ankamius]

Eagle Im tryna figure out why scum mcqueen doesnt wanna push me here tho
Like am I too obvious lynchbait am I just too hard to lynch now
Idk maybe im putting too much thought into it but considering the dwindling mislynch options for scum if the big townpool is rly right idk how it sits with me

it probably means that if mcqueen is scum here, he knows he is not hitting endgame

that could mean a few different things but it would strongly indicate that protecting his partner is more important than pushing lynches specifically

[Ankamius]

Liger is acting exactly how I think scum acts here (maybe THATS too blatant idfk) w putting paranoia in the townpool (or at least trying to)

Pedit Yes

If liger ever flips scum, that will be one of the biggest things to look back at

[Ankamius]

Bit slow on the uptake i omgused you 1k posts ago keep up

Liger/Xtoxm/mcqueen is fine I guess but imo the latter two are doing a bad job of getting mislynches
I know backseat scumplay while town does the lynches for u is a thing but still
Would feel better if i was settled on Jingle and Dolittle
Both of em are kinda townleans but I havent rly read Jingle too much

what do you think the strategy is for scum within that block?

Either one or two

[Ankamius]

This is very lazy scum play if you are scum Max.
You are just sheeping peoples reads blatantly and barely pretending to sort stuff. While sucking the townblocks dicks the whole way through.

Good thing im not scum
But if i was scum itd be stellar scum play bc it seems to be working so go me im a genius

Im in a game w Renais and Ankamius do u rly think im gonna be thinking my reads are in any way better than theirs when their reasoning for those reads is literally in front of my face

I also like what Danns putting out ftr

huh? do you have prior experience with either of us?

[Ankamius]

town here would absolutely have a chance of having a problem with an individual in the townblock. i think several people have at some point expressed that. buj is an example.
L0 doesn't have a specific townread that he's scumreading, he's just taking potshots at the townblock as a whole. no individual to commit to, he's just taking turns discrediting different people and hoping something happens
the way he's dealing with max as well feels strongly like he's trying to set up that mislynch but doesn't actually want to lead it today. it's something i've done as scum before.

i feel like getting the buj lynch through gave scum a lot of confidence wrt lynching townread slots and l0 is playing like that.

do you think l0 is doing the same thing with the town block as he is with max?

[Ankamius]

“No NKs means the townblock must be wrong” is an inherently flawed argument and painting every consensus town read as a possible deepwolf does nothing to help town unless you also have supplemental reasons to believe a specific individual is a deepwolf. Aside from your mechanical theory on why lynching Rei is good, why do you suspect her over any other town read individual?

Your only scum read is apparently Max and apparently very strong, but you’d rather lynch elsewhere first to get more mislynches?

I really don't like the timing of this post

[Prince of Renais]

i think that max is town and L0 sees that as a lynch that has to happen to win.

[Ankamius]

I don't know it's more like "people keep jabbing him but he's still doing his own thing." I'm bad with words.

this might be personality tbh

he's playing different than he did in anime upick but the sarcasm and snark he had in postgame is similar enough to here that I could see it being nai

[Prince of Renais]

but uh

hold off on lynching until I'm done

[Extrapolated Eagle]

dann always reads awkward
your read on him is like your read on urap in bop 2, i think

[Prince of Renais]

your mom is like your mom

[Prince of Renais]

lynch all the homies

[Extrapolated Eagle]

liger/mcqueen are actually playing to a scum agenda right now

[Liger_Zero]

Good one prince.

[Liger_Zero]

liger/mcqueen are actually playing to a scum agenda right now

That seems to be the narrative going right now, but I think you will find its just a tribal mindset that is being pushed forward by you and others.

[Liger_Zero]

i think that max is town and L0 sees that as a lynch that has to happen to win.

Whats townie about Max?