Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Xtoxm]

peace

[Formerfish]

Enter is, from how I understood it, accusing Dann of widening the potential lynch pool, instead of sticking within a certain established pool without specifically excluding any of the previous people from the pool.

i would be guilty of the same charge, in that case.

Hey can you go through your progression on my slot again? I need you to clarify something but if I ask it straight out it will give the answer in the question.

[Enter]

I guess on the plus side you were interacting with the thread again. Still not much of an improvement.

[Enter]

or's posting at l-1 looked pretty townie to me, while you were absent at the time, so i dont find that switch alarming.

But Dann was still sring Or. It just went from Or being the guy and me being his buddy, to me being the guy and how Or would be my buddy. See, thats why its subtle, its just makes a small adjustment to the power matrix he is creating between or and myself.

Explain the difficulty with this, I'm not tracking.

[Enter]

the problem is xtoxm has constantly asserted that the town block is incorrect and steam rolling through mislynches but offers no actual alternative or opposition

his pushes on prince and enter are vanity

and then when he actually does do something he's "helping this wagon along because X bad reason"

And these 2 come right after taking you off his scum list and putting you into a town bracket. The amount of waffle this guys is exhibiting would be found to be threatening by the likes of Waffle and Huddle House.

To be fair there has been an extraordinary amount of waffle this game from almost every slot.

[Enter]

the problem is xtoxm has constantly asserted that the town block is incorrect and steam rolling through mislynches but offers no actual alternative or opposition

his pushes on prince and enter are vanity

and then when he actually does do something he's "helping this wagon along because X bad reason"

And these 2 come right after taking you off his scum list and putting you into a town bracket. The amount of waffle this guys is exhibiting would be found to be threatening by the likes of Waffle and Huddle House.

To be fair there has been an extraordinary amount of waffle this game from almost every slot.

[Enter]

No weight given to tiers,

Town:
Jingle, Enter, RC

Null:
Ankamius, MaxwellPuckett, or, Vedith, Creature

Scum:
Xtox, Dann, RU, Liger

And keep in mind this is all based of tone from todays play.

How much of this has changed?

[Formerfish]

or's posting at l-1 looked pretty townie to me, while you were absent at the time, so i dont find that switch alarming.

But Dann was still sring Or. It just went from Or being the guy and me being his buddy, to me being the guy and how Or would be my buddy. See, thats why its subtle, its just makes a small adjustment to the power matrix he is creating between or and myself.

Explain the difficulty with this

, I'm not tracking.

Which part? The whole thing? Can you be more specific in your question?

[Enter]

say I flip town. then what? I don't think my flip unites town at all and will put it in more disarray.

the fact that dann's only thought of the case when I flip scum and its associations probably means he's town

Current thoughts on dann, please, as well as your explanation of why your flip does not unite town

[Formerfish]

No weight given to tiers,

Town:
Jingle, Enter, RC

Null:
Ankamius, MaxwellPuckett, or, Vedith, Creature

Scum:
Xtox, Dann, RU, Liger

And keep in mind this is all based of tone from todays play.

How much of this has changed?

Not much, I would say xtox might be out of the basement, or and creature go down to it. Id have to look back at maxs iso because i dont remember his posts from today. I know hes made some, they just havent stuck, Vedith has been a nonentity so far today.

SO yeah.

[Enter]

Which part? The whole thing? Can you be more specific in your question?

Yeah, sorry.

What is weird about him going from saying or is scum with you as a possible buddy to him saying you're scum with or as a possible buddy?

[Enter]

Not much, I would say xtox might be out of the basement, or and creature go down to it. Id have to look back at maxs iso because i dont remember his posts from today. I know hes made some, they just havent stuck, Vedith has been a nonentity so far today.

SO yeah.

Xtox changed based on tone, or... ?

And then your reason for spreading creature and DDL? If you've already explained these just call me dumb and I'll reread - it's definitely possible I missed something.

[Formerfish]

Which part? The whole thing? Can you be more specific in your question?

Yeah, sorry.

What is weird about him going from saying or is scum with you as a possible buddy to him saying you're scum with or as a possible buddy?

Its a subtle shift away from Or being scum. Like look, Dann has been sring Or for awhile right? Thats the impression i got from what ive read of Danns posts. The one tox asked me to look at had ors slot as the only one that stayed. I was the name he added to it, so he posited that I was ors scum partner. The post I quoted was the 1st where the way he described us changed. To me it looks like a first step in walking away from an or scum read by slying putting the emphasis on me being the lynchpin and not or.

[Enter]

I am. Forgive me if I don't cowtow to you saying you're town. You did the same thing last game and then sat back as town tore into me and giggled your way to a win.

I take it this looks very little like your current sentiment?

[Enter]

Its a subtle shift away from Or being scum. Like look, Dann has been sring Or for awhile right? Thats the impression i got from what ive read of Danns posts. The one tox asked me to look at had ors slot as the only one that stayed. I was the name he added to it, so he posited that I was ors scum partner. The post I quoted was the 1st where the way he described us changed. To me it looks like a first step in walking away from an or scum read by slying putting the emphasis on me being the lynchpin and not or.

So your argument is that Dann is trying to redirect from an Or lynch?

[Formerfish]

Not much, I would say xtox might be out of the basement, or and creature go down to it. Id have to look back at maxs iso because i dont remember his posts from today. I know hes made some, they just havent stuck, Vedith has been a nonentity so far today.

SO yeah.

Xtox changed based on tone, or... ?

His willingness to work with me to flesh out a read is something he didnt do as scum last game. Im willing to pull him into a null read because of that. Theres also another part of what im doing ehre that will hopefully allow me to sort him better, so I guess im allowing for a little time there as well.

And then your reason for spreading creature and DDL? If you've already explained these just call me dumb and I'll reread - it's definitely possible I missed something.

Creature: start at 6848 and youll find what i have on him.

Or: not really, more of a tone read based off his wagon.

[Formerfish]

Its a subtle shift away from Or being scum. Like look, Dann has been sring Or for awhile right? Thats the impression i got from what ive read of Danns posts. The one tox asked me to look at had ors slot as the only one that stayed. I was the name he added to it, so he posited that I was ors scum partner. The post I quoted was the 1st where the way he described us changed. To me it looks like a first step in walking away from an or scum read by slying putting the emphasis on me being the lynchpin and not or.

So your argument is that Dann is trying to redirect from an Or lynch?

Possibly, it would depend on certain things. He could just be keeping both viable at the same time, seeing which way the wind blows to see which way he pushes harder.

[Formerfish]

I am. Forgive me if I don't cowtow to you saying you're town. You did the same thing last game and then sat back as town tore into me and giggled your way to a win.

I take it this looks very little like your current sentiment?

I get snippy sometimes with people who say things im obviously going to disbelieve based off recent events. Tox has no built trust with me to fall back on, and our most recent interaction was subpar. I know this and can prepare for an attempt at pocketing me as well, there are a lot of factors in play and need sorted first.

[Enter]

Xtoxm what's your current read on FF?

[Enter]

Possibly, it would depend on certain things. He could just be keeping both viable at the same time, seeing which way the wind blows to see which way he pushes harder.

Every player needs two scum reads at least. So you're saying you think he has no thoughts of his own and if another lynch was brought up, he'd be on board with that as well, because he doesn't particularly care one way or another?

[Enter]

I get snippy sometimes with people who say things im obviously going to disbelieve based off recent events. Tox has no built trust with me to fall back on, and our most recent interaction was subpar. I know this and can prepare for an attempt at pocketing me as well, there are a lot of factors in play and need sorted first.

So you are wary because he recently had a solid performance, but his interaction with you and desire to sort you combined with the likelihood that you will be able to read him off a tell later moves him into null?

[Enter]

Is there a reason to put xtoxm in the scum list prior to pushing for the tell you wanted to run on him, or...?

[Formerfish]

Possibly, it would depend on certain things. He could just be keeping both viable at the same time, seeing which way the wind blows to see which way he pushes harder.

Every player needs two scum reads at least. So you're saying you think he has no thoughts of his own and if another lynch was brought up, he'd be on board with that as well, because he doesn't particularly care one way or another?

I think he has created a narrative that ensures at least 1 mislynch.

Or is a wildcard. If or is town then Dann is setting up 2 mislynches and would push one after the other flipped green, resulting in 2 town flips and more people being doused or lit on fire (i really should have looked at this game before agreeing to sub in, I had no idea we were in a seminightless moutanous game...). If or is scum and is Danns partner it could be Dann parking a vote on or and then when he saw a way to get it off he did and then attempted to minimize his suspicion of or by putting me in the primary scum role.

[Enter]

FF if you get a chance will you look at the grapes ISO and then tell me if we can clear xtoxm off the fact that everyone else grapes has voted is town?

[Formerfish]

Is there a reason to put xtoxm in the scum list prior to pushing for the tell you wanted to run on him, or...?

Gut read of him was scum, he was doing some of the same scum distancing from the thread that id seem in a prior game. Here is willing to get up close and personal with me and let me see who he is. I didnt expect him to do that and it gives me enough pause to allow myself time to run something. I feel like I can get a good read off how we interact next.