Open 756: Hope Plus One (Day 5)

[Buki]

If Shoshin is town Baezu is probably scum

I don't know about that if Shoshin is scum.

this sounds like "if it is saturday then 1+1=2" to me. i can't see the relationship although i can agree that i think the conclusion is correct

I think that Baezu unvoting Shoshin right now and siding with RC is kind of not a interaction that she would do with a scumbuddy

It's not impossible, but scum usually don't have that kind of gut I think? It would look bad after the flips.

But again, not really impossible since she can hide behind RC pushes on Wiz and me (what she is doing btw).

Then I think that she is scummy regardless of anything, but if Shoshin flips scum I might need some time to think it through.

[RadiantCowbells]

It may not self resolve until a lot later in the game and I think it's dangerous to leave them alive. I also think that my reads will suffer as long as the slot is alive.

[RadiantCowbells]

If they're town scum are going to CC doc anyway and if I haven't figured out who the cop is scum certainly haven't

[Buki]

It may not self resolve until a lot later in the game and I think it's dangerous to leave them alive. I also think that my reads will suffer as long as the slot is alive.

To be honest I can understand this yeah

But dunno what we should really do. But scum will probably claim PR anyway so I think it's sub-optimal to lynch him today.

Maybe tomorrow.

[northsidegal]

i don't disagree that it might take a while to resolve and i'm not sure what to tell you with regards to ignoring wizard

but i do think that it would be a mechanical mistake to lynch him today.

[Buki]

If they're town scum are going to CC doc anyway and if I haven't figured out who the cop is scum certainly haven't

Yeah but we could use the cop maybe?

If we actually direct the cop to the right targets, and make a system where:

1. Not claiming guilty that day = that slot is town
2. Claiming guilty that day = that slot is scum

and still having all possible doctors. I think it's a pretty good system which makes lynching him today sub-optimal because scum would need to get rid of the doctors as soon as possible.

[RadiantCowbells]

If we just leash the cop on him I'll not elsewhere

[northsidegal]

in the first place, are we considering that scum would choose to leave him alive for the sake of potentially attempting to lynch him anyways?

i think the answer depends on the specifics of who the scumteam is, but still.

having the identity of one ostensible doctor be public is also valuable in organizing protections.

[northsidegal]

If we just leash the cop on him I'll not elsewhere

seems suboptimal

[Buki]

I think a "follow-the-cop" strategy here would make wonders.

[northsidegal]

yeah like

i think that the scumteam probably cannot afford to keep a doctor alive, especially if we were to do something like buki suggested.

[Buki]

in the first place, are we considering that scum would choose to leave him alive for the sake of potentially attempting to lynch him anyways?

i think the answer depends on the specifics of who the scumteam is, but still.

having the identity of one ostensible doctor be public is also valuable in organizing protections.

Exactly

and even if he has 1% of chance of being a doctor, I dunno about killing him today. After one doctor is dead the doctor/cop combo isn't really useful, but while the two doctor are alive, it's really mechanically good.

I'm glad we got out of that kind of arguing and got into this.

[Buki]

yeah like

i think that the scumteam probably cannot afford to keep a doctor alive, especially if we were to do something like buki suggested.

yeah it's kind of just not worth it

We would have two protects, and we can make a system where the cop doesn't even need to claim for us to know the result.

It's like

+++++++ town sided

[RadiantCowbells]

Then I'd rather just lynch him sorry.

[RadiantCowbells]

If it flips town cop and remaining doc can be on me.

[Buki]

Scum might try to WIFOM us by letting him alive 1 or 2 days, but until LyLo?

heh

we would have everyone copped

and if the cop dies, then we can discuss about what we should do.

[RadiantCowbells]

You realize if we out the cop and tell him to target them the cop will just die correct

[northsidegal]

You realize if we out the cop and tell him to target them the cop will just die correct

i don't think the idea is that we out the identity of the cop. i think the idea is that if we can come up with someone whom everyone agrees should be copped, we can know the result of the investigation based on if the cop comes out with a guilty tomorrow. if not, we assume that everyone followed through with the check and the person came up innocent.

if the cop does out with a guilty and wizard wasn't killed, we simply tell wizard to target someone else and tell the hidden doctor to target the cop. then, if the cop dies, we know that there are still two "hidden" docs, that wizard is fakeclaiming, and we have a guilty without any of the doctors even needing to claim.

[Buki]

To everyone not getting it:

While the two doctors are alive, the cop can be protected. If there's only one doctor, the cop can't be protected.

[northsidegal]

oh i actually forgot about that

don't think it changes much, though?

[northsidegal]

although i do think that makes it even more illogical to lynch wizard today

[RadiantCowbells]

You understand that claiming doc skyrockets his scum equity correct?

[Buki]

oh i actually forgot about that

don't think it changes much, though?

Not much but still

Two doctors alive is more valuable than one, not only because we can have two protects, but because we can also protect the cop.

Then...are we doing it?

[Buki]

You understand that claiming doc skyrockets his scum equity correct?

yeah but like

there is nightkills

and lynches

until day 3 he might be confirmed scum if he is lying

Until day 4 he is 100% confirmed scum if he is lying

As long as we focus on finding other two scum, I think we're good.

[northsidegal]

You understand that claiming doc skyrockets his scum equity correct?

i really don't think it matters at this point.

i just don't think it makes any sense to lynch him today.