Open 756: Hope Plus One (Day 5)

[Shoshin]

For context, I was scum in that game.

I was widely townread by everyone.

I ended up getting replaced.

The game occurred during this game so you can see the tangible difference in play.

[Fumuki]

I'd appreciate if you could assume I'm town for today. This will make solving together a lot easier.

I just finished reading your ISO and this is my opinion on you:

If you're scum, you've drastically changed your play here, either because you're not motivated or because you're putting less importance on being town read.

I can really see a demotivated scum!Shoshin here, and because of that I'm mulling over getting the cop to check you. However, in the end, I think you're most likely town than not.

All your questions can see often as pointless in this game imo, however, it doesn't feel as something that scum!Shoshin would often ask.

As scum I think you like to sound game solving and to impact game state quickly, and copy your own town meta. I don't think you've tried to do it in this game.

However, as I said, you don't have enough scum games and in Fire Mountain you even said that your scum game needed more work and that you would focus less in only being town read, but yeah, even considering that, I feel you play here isn't very agenda driven.

In other words, I'm fine with giving you a weak town read today, not because you've been towny, but because I don't see you playing the way you've been playing with a strategy in mind. Unless you're absurdly demotivated to play as scum, I find you more likely to be town.

That's my day 2 read on you.

[Fumuki]

My townblock right now is basically [NSG, Shoshin]. I've only read Shoshin ISO so far though.

Also I'm very scared of Shoshin making a fool out of me but yeah, I can live with being fooled by her. It really doesn't look like she approached this game with the mindset that scum!Shoshin usually has.

[Shoshin]

I need you to start sorting other players, Fumuki. I don't need your help to sort me.

[Fumuki]

UNVOTE:

Calm down Shoshin, I plan to have a final reads in the whole playerlist until tonight.

I'll soon begin strong pushing someone I think.

But why do you need me to start sorting other players?

[Shoshin]

So that we can solve the game.

[Shoshin]

It's just annoying that while I'm around you're talking about things I already know instead of working with me to solve the stuff I don't know.

[Fumuki]

i don't think it's a clever play at all. i mean if he's actually doctor then ok totally 100% with you that's town. but if he's VT, i don't think it's at all alignment indicative one way or another.

You're scum? Again?? And I'm going to lose another town game because of you???

"if he's VT..." it's not AI?? How can one be a villager yet probably scum?? Your phrasing indicates you know he is town, but are unsure if he is a doctor or a bluffing VT.

I know this vote leads to my lynch today. I don't care. My point stands.

VOTE: RC

Why does Eyes need to do posts like this?

It gives me headaches...

[Fumuki]

It's just annoying that while I'm around you're talking about things I already know instead of working with me to solve the stuff I don't know.

What you don't know?

What you want to talk about?

Why aren't you trying to reach me instead of waiting me to reach you?

[Shoshin]

Assuming I'm town, who are the scum?

This, Fumuki.

[Fumuki]

Oh, I don't know who scum is yet if not for silly reads I had because I wasn't enjoying this game until we had some peace in the thread.

I could repeat GiF/Worm/Egix/Titus and shit, but like, let me parse my reads for real for once, I'll get back to you about that afterwards.

Right now I'm reading Eyes's ISO. I can't talk yet because of site rules, but I find his play here more likely to come from town than scum?

I think scum!Eyes is more concerned with his image.

[Fumuki]

That said, some posts from Eyes are overreacting and overreactions deserve scum pings in my opinion so...a bit conflicted here.

[Fumuki]

please don't cop buki btw. we're just lynching him and you'll have to claim to defend him if he flips town. use the cop on someone relevant.

Noted.

yikes...?

@Eyes what did you mean with this post?

[Fumuki]

I forgot everything about this game.

Heh

[Fumuki]

Townblock of [Shoshin, NSG, Eyes]

I don't feel a scum mindset in Eyes approach to this game. Also he has a 50% odd of having been copped anyway.

[Fumuki]

Dr.Worm scum game is basically shitposting + casual reads.

That's a slot you always want to lynch D1 or cop if there's no meaningful contribution. We got too distracted by the shitshow maybe.

[Fumuki]

Dr.Worm town game as weird as it may be, have some meaningful contributions and thought process some times (need to check how often), while in his scum game he didn't have much of a thought process, and seemed more focused on producing the reads, and not on how they were produced.

What might point to Dr.Worm having a fine scum equity here. Need to read his ISO after finishing his games.

[Fumuki]

Dr.Worm also has nice reads some times.

[Fumuki]

I've finished my work on Dr.Worm I think and:

1. The fact that Dr.Worm paid so much attention to Wizard claim and Baezu, might indicate that they were rolefishing for a doctor (what would also explain the nightkill)

2. I don't see original, meaningful thought process on Dr.Worm as compared in one of his recent town games. It's just casual reads and giving casual reads is more likely to come from scum him than town him.

3. Note to self: I would originally need to check more games from him, but since it's so close to the deadline and him does look like a fine lynch, focus on other slots.

[Fumuki]

Town block: [NSG, Shoshin, Eyes]

lynch pool: [Dr.Worm]

In other words I can and will vote Dr.Worm if deadline comes too close and no other wagon that I like shows up. If Dr.Worm flips scum, I would look back to one of his posts saying "Hot-take, two scum are below Dr.Worm in the playerlist". It feels as a buss.

[Fumuki]

Also Dr.Worm, out of my reads, especially questioned my read on Titus slot in day 1.

I think that Dr.Worm would like quite a bit a buss, and eventually in day 2 he goes for that slot but later forgets about it and goes for Shoshin.

Another trait that I find worrying, since Dr.Worm here doesn't seem to have a complete image of the game, but rather focusing in one slot at time. The fact that he showed up but didn't say much about Shoshin or his wagon also worries me.

I suppose it would really be a fine lynch and I fully support it as of now, and I'm not sheeping NSG here, it's a read of my own.

[Fumuki]

Creature, if you're town, can you play this game properly?

If you step it up, we could still win this.

[Fumuki]

Emperor good posts in my opinion:

Spoiler:

VOTE: Pretentious

I feel like this is scum

Why?

I was hoping this would make people pressure him without me saying “let’s pressure him” cos I find that annoying

Why you lack gamesolving, FlippyNips?

Game solve what? RVS wagons?

as a colleague of mine once said

“eat a croissant!”

8 pages deep? Not really. I got a couple tr at best

& if there’s so much to go on, go ahead solve the game let me see how it’s done

Celica/Emperor/Pretentious isn't that much of a bad solve?

Emperor has been on Pretentious since early game

Celica "liked" votes on Emperor in day 1

Pretentious isn't townie at all and also "didn't like" Emperor

Kind of an unexpected team but not impossible. Unless someone here knows how to read GiF well or he has already town told here?

How good is GiF as scum anyway?

I didn’t like pretentious cos the doc claim smelled like caca

So far I’m liking GIF but don’t want to call him town yet. He’s got points tho

He was leaning scum in Pret so that is a fine, original read.

I suppose my town block in that case is [NSG, Shoshin, Eyes, Emperor].

If I'm correct on everyone, counting with me that makes it five. Quite a nice town block.

[Fumuki]

In that case we are in:

Town: [NSG, Fumuki, Eyes, Shoshin, Emperor]

Leftovers: [Creature, Titus, Egix, GiF, Brass]

scum: [Dr.Worm]

If Dr.Worm flips scum, I suppose that the optimal play would be to check on GiF or Titus?

Creature. Play properly if town. We're not in that much of a bad shape.

Reflecting on it, I dunno about RC/Brass being scum. I think Dr.Worm "hot-take" on 2 scum being below him might be genuine.

[Fumuki]

a check on GiF might do wonders.

It's the most threatening possible scum slot right now.