Open 756: Hope Plus One (Day 5)

[Shoshin]

Therefore, you're either scum or your reads are garbage.

People call my reads garbage every game until post-game, when they realize I had the best reads in the game.

This one is probably the same.

[Shoshin]

Titus, why have you refused to take a position about Egix the entire game?

Why'd you immediately vote me as the Egix wagon started gaining steam yesterday? Assuming Egix is scum, that timing is quite coincidental, especially in light of your refusal to take a position about Egix's alignment.

[Titus]

I haven't refused to take a stance on Egix's alignment. That's a horrible misrepresentation. Hell, if you want to know my stance on anyone just ask. Egix is likely town given the situation and the voting patterns.

People may call your reads garbage. I don't care about other games. The truth is, the game elected to lynch a lurker over you. Deadlines were close. Why wouldn't scum lynch you if you were any sort of threat to them whatsoever?

The simplest conclusion is that you're no threat to them. Either you're scum pushing the game in the wrong direction or you're a loudmouth stubborn townie who has zero desire to actually reread when likely wrong.

[Titus]

I don't get how you're pushing my lynch here.

I think scum swung to worm to save you
No one in their right mind thinks that lurktastic slot was more of a threat to the scumteam. So if he flipped town, the simplest conclusion is scum wanted you alive. Therefore, you're either scum or your reads are garbage.

The question you should ask is why Egix couldn't be lynched over Worm. I wasn't the only & primary alternative to Worm. Egix was under much greater pressure of being lynched after we got the extension that relieved pressure on me.

Well, probably because scum know most of the town has zero interest in helping you mislynch him.

[Shoshin]

I haven't refused to take a stance on Egix's alignment. That's a horrible misrepresentation. Hell, if you want to know my stance on anyone just ask. Egix is likely town given the situation and the voting patterns.

You've been asked for your read on Egix multiple times by me & others, including Egix himself. This is the first time you've said anything about Egix despite these questions.

What about the voting patterns makes Egix likely town?

[Shoshin]

I don't get how you're pushing my lynch here.

I think scum swung to worm to save you
No one in their right mind thinks that lurktastic slot was more of a threat to the scumteam. So if he flipped town, the simplest conclusion is scum wanted you alive. Therefore, you're either scum or your reads are garbage.

The question you should ask is why Egix couldn't be lynched over Worm. I wasn't the only & primary alternative to Worm. Egix was under much greater pressure of being lynched after we got the extension that relieved pressure on me.

Well, probably because scum know most of the town has zero interest in helping you mislynch him.

So you think Brass/Fumuki are scum?

[Titus]

I haven't refused to take a stance on Egix's alignment. That's a horrible misrepresentation. Hell, if you want to know my stance on anyone just ask. Egix is likely town given the situation and the voting patterns.

You've been asked for your read on Egix multiple times by me & others, including Egix himself. This is the first time you've said anything about Egix despite these questions.

What about the voting patterns makes Egix likely town?

Well, they can intercede if these "others" feel it is unanswered. Most players know I read by data, not fair dust. I'd have a full fledged VCA but for some reason scum haven't been lynched. Wonder why. Maybe shosin drowned out the smart town?

Point blank, your continued survival makes you benefit scum. I'm town. So everyone you are pushing has high odds of being town.

Most everyone you push as a scumread was voting you yesterday at some point, particularly when you were under pressure.

This is nothing more than you repeatedly steering town wrong and trying to deflect those calling you out on it.

[Shoshin]

You haven't answered why voting patterns point to Egix as likely town.

[Titus]

I don't get how you're pushing my lynch here.

I think scum swung to worm to save you
No one in their right mind thinks that lurktastic slot was more of a threat to the scumteam. So if he flipped town, the simplest conclusion is scum wanted you alive. Therefore, you're either scum or your reads are garbage.

The question you should ask is why Egix couldn't be lynched over Worm. I wasn't the only & primary alternative to Worm. Egix was under much greater pressure of being lynched after we got the extension that relieved pressure on me.

Well, probably because scum know most of the town has zero interest in helping you mislynch him.

So you think Brass/Fumuki are scum?

I'd have to do a full VCA for a comprehensive theory on who scum are. That's most effective with a dead scum, which is why I am swinging for you.

[Titus]

You haven't answered why voting patterns point to Egix as likely town.

I already did on the voting patterns.

[Shoshin]

I didn't steer town towards the Worm lynch so I'm not sure how you can say I steered town wrong? I wanted Egix lynched, after all.

[Shoshin]

Let's test your theory, Titus. If we assume scum wanted me alive over Worm, you're saying that scum voted for Worm over me, correct? And if so, that would mean the people pushing me over Worm are also town? Is that what you're saying, Titus?

[Titus]

VOTE: Worm

Here she seems pretty lost and I...sympathize a lot with that. I feel like most of the scum would have at least a half-assed narrative on their reads, but looking in Shoshin ISO there really seems to be nothing.

What the fuck are you talking about? My reads have been very clear.

The scum are within the group of RC, Egix, Worm, Titus, and maybe Emperor/Eyes if not those four.

I've been clear about this. The players who are lost is everyone else.

Counterwagon?

You were a wagon earlier in the day.

Worm was a wagon earlier in the day.

RC voted for both these wagons at different points.

But then RC out of nowhere starts pushing my lynch with only hours left in the day. Egix/Worm immediately jumped on my wagon. And here we are.

I already guessed the team as RC/Egix/Worm, and that was before RC started pushing my lynch. It so happens that these three coordinated a push on me at the last minute of this day phase when it looked like Worm was the lynch.

I've been very clear about saying I'm confident the entirety of scum are within the group of RC, Egix, Worm, Emperor, or you, Titus. And I'm happy to lynch anyone in that group today, though I've repeatedly said that your predecessor (Celica) was the towniest of this group.

You never pushed the group towards Worm eh?

[Titus]

Let's test your theory, Titus. If we assume scum wanted me alive over Worm, you're saying that scum voted for Worm over me, correct? And if so, that would mean the people pushing me over Worm are also town? Is that what you're saying, Titus?

More likely than not, yes.

[Shoshin]

I strongly pushed towards Egix.

Worm was a compromise because I couldn't get Egix lynched.

[Titus]

No one is saying you didn't push Egix. But you've been spamming this everyone who ever voted for me non-sense is scum and those who never did are town. It's loud, noisy and detracts. At best, you block scumhunting. At worst, you're scum.

This means, you're the best lynch. We aren't talking to each other anyway. Barring a cop guilty, my mind is made up.

[Shoshin]

You're mischaracterizing my play, Titus.

[Shoshin]

I will never lynch Icon or Eyes.

Icon, because the amount of effort Fumuki put into the game isn't something that comes from scum Fumuki.

Eyes, because GIF's death. GIF was probably killed because scum thought he was cop, and GIF's posts strongly suggest that he had an innocent result on Eyes if read them from this perspective.

I'd like to have a conversation about the game with both these players when they're around.

[Shoshin]

The idea that scum preferred a lynch on Worm over me isn't clear at all. I don't see why Titus makes that assumption.

I was put at L-1 yesterday with Emperor about to hammer me. I survived because GIF, a townie, switched his vote to Worm. Then, after GIF switched his vote, Fumuki (another townie) also switched votes to Worm. This wasn't scum's doing, it was town's. There's no reason to assume that scum preferred Worm's lynch over mine when the two votes that changed the direction of the game came from townies (GIF & Fumuki).

I think it's very concerning that Titus makes this shitty assumption about the voting patterns while mischaracterizing the basis of my reads. Thoughts?

[Eyes without a face]

VOTE: Egix

[Shoshin]

Creature, why aren't you voting Egix yet?

[Emperor flippyNips]

I think NSG's slot is especially scummy in retrospect, for leading a mislynch on Worm & for defending the shit out of Egix/Titus.

Emperor, why the fuck are you voting me? I don't get it. How can you think I'm scummier than players like Egix, Titus, or NSG?

I don’t see how NSG is the one who lead the wagon on worm they were the second person to vote them after Eyes. From what I saw it looked like you & Eyes were the ones convincing everyone for a worm wagon. NSG didn’t seem willing to hop off it when Egix said it looked like everyone was only on the wagon cos he’s annoying. Which doesn’t get NSG any town points. It does give egix some points cos worm had been one of my only town reads.

[Emperor flippyNips]

I don’t know who started the wagon tho. I thought there was a post that had said “why the fuck hasn’t Worm been a wagon yet” then from there it took off & there was no turning back.

[Emperor flippyNips]

VOTE: Egix

What’s our reasoning here?

Or are you just deciding to blindly follow one of your partners without any effort.

[Emperor flippyNips]

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Have you been able to skim the game at all?