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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 9:07 am

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I wouldn’t have voted if I was avoiding.
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 9:08 am

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In post 75, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I wouldn’t have voted if I was avoiding.
then tell us why it was a good vote?


Why did you claim, Mastina?
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 9:09 am

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In post 38, Nero Cain wrote:I don't really understand why she felt she would claim as town.
I always claim anti-town roles and make it a policy to do so; you don't leave millers unclaimed or ascetics unclaimed, now, do you? Being scum changes nothing about that; if I have an anti-town role I am still going to claim it because it is an anti-town role and I don't fucking lie about having an anti-town role.

So it's a given that I have the role I claimed, the only question is the alignment I'm claiming it as.
In post 38, Nero Cain wrote:like, if you don't want to use your ability just don't?
Every game has a day that you massclaim in.

Try having a role that you intentionally didn't claim and didn't use, then claiming it during massclaim and justifying it as "I didn't use it and never claimed it because I didn't want to".

See how well that works out for you. (Hint: you'll be lynched a solid 90% of the time.)
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 9:12 am

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In post 77, mastina wrote:
In post 38, Nero Cain wrote:like, if you don't want to use your ability just don't?
Every game has a day that you massclaim in.

Try having a role that you intentionally didn't claim and didn't use, then claiming it during massclaim and justifying it as "I didn't use it and never claimed it because I didn't want to".

See how well that works out for you. (Hint: you'll be lynched a solid 90% of the time.)
Specifically, Nero.

What would
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reaction be to, during massclaim, someone claiming a role and saying, "I didn't use it because I didn't want to" as their justification for never acting?

Would your reaction be, "Okay, I believe you"...
...Or, "Lynch this shit"?

Because you're bullshitting me if you say anything other than the latter. *I* wouldn't believe that, and you wouldn't, either. If you have a role you intend never to use, you claim it. You don't leave it unclaimed until massclaim. And you CERTAINLY don't LIE about having it, either. (Well, YOU might, but *I* certainly won't, and I'm the one who got the role, so.)
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 9:15 am

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In post 40, Gamma Emerald wrote:Mmm, feeling scared?
Bored, actually. Also annoyed because burnt my hand yesterday.
...Okay maybe a bit scared, but that's because I got four fucking blisters from the second degree burns, and each and every single one of them burst, and two are GIGANTIC (one having doubled in size in two hours), and one twists and turns in awkward ways making it difficult to deal with, and I literally have no clue how to treat them. (Clearly not with bandaids as that's what I had on them before, last night.)
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 9:17 am

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(Seriously, I know first aid, but first aid doesn't cover this. It tells you how to treat the initial burn, but this isn't first aid territory anymore; this is follow-through/up care, "second aid", if you will, and goes outside of my training. Basically am reaching out everywhere to see if anyone knows how to help deal with it.)
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 9:17 am

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In post 44, Gamma Emerald wrote:And mastina's claim was a good idea to stay alive for a time but not a longevity play in any manner.
Which is typical of my scumgame. :shifty:
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 9:18 am

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In post 46, NotMySpamAccount wrote:hmmmmmmmmm. VOTE: mastina I don't like that opening at all.
What a coincidence! I don't like yours, either.
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 9:19 am

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In post 47, Titus wrote:Mastina voted based on her role. (I am deadly with neighborhoods.)
Wrong!
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 9:25 am

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In post 77, mastina wrote:you don't leave millers unclaimed or ascetics unclaimed
but you aren't a miller or an ascetic. They get claimed b/c they fuck with night actions. Yours doesn't.
In post 77, mastina wrote:Every game has a day that you massclaim in.
Who says you'll live till massclaim anyways?
In post 78, mastina wrote:What would your reaction be to, during massclaim, someone claiming a role and saying, "I didn't use it because I didn't want to" as their justification for never acting?
if you were town with that role you SHOULDN'T be using it so...

let me see if I have this right. You claimed b/c other anti-town roles claim and b/c you didn't want to claim in mass claim and possibly get lynched.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 9:34 am

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In post 84, Nero Cain wrote:but you aren't a miller or an ascetic. They get claimed b/c they fuck with night actions. Yours doesn't.
They get claimed because they are negative utility.
My role is negative utility.
In post 84, Nero Cain wrote:Who says you'll live till massclaim anyways?
Might wanna think that statement through Nero.
It has a stupidly obvious answer to it, once you realize how often I'm a scum nightkill.
In post 84, Nero Cain wrote:let me see if I have this right. You claimed b/c other anti-town roles claim and b/c you didn't want to claim in mass claim and possibly get lynched.
Yes to the first, not really to the second.

I claimed because it's a negative utility role that I have zero intention of using and the information of claiming the role > the mystery in not claiming it. Claiming it does more good than harm because with it out in the open, everything can be then compared to it. For instance in the stupendously unlikely event I were ever a nightkill--you'd have the information that scum chose to nightkill me in spite of me openly claiming an anti-town role I stated no intention to using. Them deciding that (an action which even normally would be absurd but with my claimed role is absolutely ludicrous) would give you valuable insight into who the scum are, as an example.
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 9:38 am

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In post 76, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 75, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I wouldn’t have voted if I was avoiding.
then tell us why it was a good vote?


Why did you claim, Mastina?
I feel Montosh’s is a bad faith question. A line of questioning where his intention is to make his own point or zinger instead of truly wanting to know Rooster’s meta.

Don’t get me wrong, self-meta can be used in the case of a defense but not when you are trying to say you are townie.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 10:09 am

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In post 85, mastina wrote:It has a stupidly obvious answer to it, once you realize how often I'm a scum nightkill.
the only way you get nked is if you have ridiculously good reads b/c once you claimed you took yourself off the priority nk list.

In post 86, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I feel Montosh’s 53 is a bad faith question. A line of questioning where his intention is to make his own point or zinger instead of truly wanting to know Rooster’s meta.

Don’t get me wrong, self-meta can be used in the case of a defense but not when you are trying to say you are townie.
I'm really not seeing this. Maybe I should wait for Montosh to reply first but I could see where he finds Roster's vote a bit scummy and wants to see if he does that kinda thing often.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 10:10 am

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What do you think about Mastina so far, LUV.
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 5:03 pm

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In post 86, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 76, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 75, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I wouldn’t have voted if I was avoiding.
then tell us why it was a good vote?


Why did you claim, Mastina?
I feel Montosh’s is a bad faith question. A line of questioning where his intention is to make his own point or zinger instead of truly wanting to know Rooster’s meta.

Don’t get me wrong, self-meta can be used in the case of a defense but not when you are trying to say you are townie.
How is that bad faith? Roster literally said:
In post 52, rosterfoster wrote:Eh if I don’t scumread someone
that’s usually what I do
.
Suggesting there was some meta to it. Given that he was using it as justification for a vote it seemed perfectly reasonable to ask for an example of that in a previous game.
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 5:24 pm

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@mastina, After Undertale, how do you still view your role as anti-town?
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 5:31 pm

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In post 90, Titus wrote:@mastina, After Undertale, how do you still view your role as anti-town?
Um.
Undertale I had literally the strongest fucking possible role in theory and it was immediately obvious to me the positive utility thereof?

It didn't even OCCUR to me that we were ascetic and that we were had to be pointed out to me by my hydra partner. All I saw was the ability to
copy roles that targeted us
, which is a hilariously broken-as-fuck power.
And that also explained the lack of ascetic claim.
Not only not realizing we were one, but after having realized we were one, knowing that our role benefited from people targeting us and claiming ascetic would cause people to do the opposite and avoid targeting us.

I literally viewed our role that game as the most OP role of all time.

Comparing that hilariously broken role to this game is all kinds of :?: :?: :?:
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 5:36 pm

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In post 5832, mastina wrote:Pretty infamously my go-to example for why neighborhoods are ridiculously easy for scum to manipulate, too.
We were, mechanically, 100% confscum. Like, confirmed scum beyond all shadow of a doubt, confirmed scum mechanically. Mechanically locked as confscum.
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 5:37 pm

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So why is your ability to shut off neighborhoods anti-town?
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 5:45 pm

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In post 93, Titus wrote:So why is your ability to shut off neighborhoods anti-town?
In post 26, mastina wrote:
In post 24, Titus wrote:Your role seems pretty protown
if you identified scum well.
Yeahhhhhh small problem with that...... :shifty:

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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 5:48 pm

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You and I both know the skill of the user doesn't make a role anti-town. We don't expect gigs to claim if they're horrible shots.
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Sun May 19, 2019 9:51 pm

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Feeling like Titus is town rn
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2019 1:41 am

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In post 13, Montosh wrote:
In post 10, Elbirn wrote: UNVOTE:
VOTE: Motosh
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No. This will not stand.

VOTE: Elbirn
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2019 1:44 am

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Only townreading mastina so far

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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Mon May 20, 2019 1:51 am

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In post 84, Nero Cain wrote:but you aren't a miller or an ascetic. They get claimed b/c they fuck with night actions. Yours doesn't.
You're right, it isn't negative utility if not used. It's essentially a named townie.
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