Newbie 1934: Tundra (Game Over)

[Cinnamon]

Here's where I'm at right now - in the event that Raya is town, what Flavor is saying makes a ton of sense to me. This Raya wagon would be perfect for scum to jump on because Raya made themselves look so suspicious and I would be looking at a team of something like Irrelephant/teacher or Voted/teacher. This also agrees with my earlier gut read that something isn't quite right with all of the SEs.

[Cinnamon]

However, at the moment Raya has done nothing to show that they aren't scum, so I'm finding it hard to believe this line of logic.

[Flavor Leaf]

However, at the moment Raya has done nothing to show that they aren't scum, so I'm finding it hard to believe this line of logic.

Raya hasn’t done anything, though, which doesn’t make them scum either.

It seems like people are pushing them because they haven’t done anything and pushing it as scum AI. I’m seeing it as NAI. It’s neutral.

[Irrelephant11]

A player who says “i accept scumreads”, reps out, and is replaced by someone who posts one (1) post with zero (0) original content is more likely to be scum than town imo

[Irrelephant11]

I think raya’s one post is scummy because it is opportunistic, except maybe in the case where cinnamon is scum (in which case, good catch raya). Given you and I are both townreading cinnamon I’m surprised you don’t see it that way

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s Raya. She ain’t a newbie.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why would she just not do anything as scum? There’s zero reason.

[Irrelephant11]

It’s also not my job as town to defend a slot with zero towntells when I don’t see obvscum elsewhere

Pedit: I don’t think raya’s intention was to do nothing. I think her one post is intending to get on the good side of some townies (me, Menalque) while lynching another townie (cinnamon)

Unless cinnamon is scum, raya’s post feels the most like scum motivation to me out of anything done this game
The rep out, like it or not, is also scum indicative
Why should I *not* be voting raya? Who are the opportunistic scum here?

[Irrelephant11]

Also like,

Sometimes scum lose motivation when they feel caught. It’s happened to me in a game I had no business losing as scum - but a couple slots tunneled me and I emotionally faltered and got lynched
It could be happening to raya

[Flavor Leaf]

And that’s exactly it. Raya is getting pushed when they haven’t done anything, and I do see scum motivation in people pushing them.

[Flavor Leaf]

The opportunistic scum could be anyone on it.

Your scum equity goes down because you’re arguing it so hard, and that’s just kind of weird.

Raya “could” flip scum, but I think it’s very opportunistic, and even if Raya is scum here, the partner is bussing.

[Irrelephant11]

You still haven’t case teacher beyond how his play has helped contribute to a stagnant gamestate, which imo is just as likely to come from busy-IRL!teacher as scum!teacher

Pedit: my point is I think it’s a misrep to say raya has done nothing. They’ve posted, and that post is scummy. Their press posted, and those posts weee scummy. I agree it plausible scum!raya’s partner would bus here, but I also think it’s plausible scum!raya’s partner repped out (Bob/Baezu)

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not liking Cinnamon near the start. I find he's playing it a bit safe. Especially around 154. I don't like how after Irrelephant challenges what he said he still posts that he thinks irrelephant is scummy but then after seems to backpedal a bit by saying he's not that scummy though and removing his vote. Also some of his wording in 154 seemed safe to me. (Small inconsistencies instead of just inconsistencies, saying it could just be this but I see it more of this makes backpedaling after easier.)

I like eggs for town. Mainly because of 102 (But I like his posts in general). If he were scum he's really not attempting to keep his options open and even when he found some minor things he didn't like he wasn't actively trying to push it which reads as town to me.

Eggs and Cinnamon are my stronger town reads right now.

What made you change your mind about cinnamon?

I think I like menalque. His entrance while being fluff came off as natural. I don't like his push on eggs but he does make some good points that seem like they could come from a town scumhunting pov even though they are a bit of a stretch as someone mentioned. I do like his points made against voted though. His scumhunting appears to be natural to me.

Also related to above, I didn't feel Voted's defense to Menalque's push was sufficient. Self-meta especially is never a good argument in my opinion.

Irrelephant is a strong townlean.

I am also starting to like Eggs less, I previously had a null read on them but their last few posts have seemed somewhat scummy to me.

Can you elaborate on this?



As of now I would be most willing to lynch cinnamon or Voted but I would much rather vote on cinnamon for now.
VOTE: cinnamon

What’s scummy about this? Cinnamon could very well be scum, and this was like 2 days ago.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s really it. That is why Teacher is scum mixed in with POE. You left out the POE part.

[Irrelephant11]

@cinnamon

Cinnamon I think you’re a very capable mafia player. Do you agree?

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think navneet is scum based on how many votes he’s gotten tbh

Did the wagon feel real to you?

[Irrelephant11]

That’s really it. That is why Teacher is scum mixed in with POE. You left out the POE part.

You haven’t made the POE part very clear though
Like in the post before this you’re saying cinnamon could be scum
You’ve said you think Bob slot could be scum

Who have you removed from the POE and why?

[Irrelephant11]

I don’t think navneet is scum based on how many votes he’s gotten tbh

Did the wagon feel real to you?

Are you asking me to answer this question or just bringing up that teacher said it

[Flavor Leaf]

Just quoting it.

I explained my Eggs town read. Explained my Menalque. Explained my Cinnamon. I very much believe scum to be within the SE’s because nobody is outright scummy, and I feel whichever SE is scum, is working with whichever newbie is scum. Voted looks like mislynch bait. You’re pushing this here so that’s townie. Baezu/bob could be scum, but Baezu played to pocket me, so I’m a little in the middle right there. Raya and nave both got rung up hard.

Teacher is all that is left. Yes, I could be wrong on multiple. But I don’t directly scum read Teacher, but his play makes sense as scum, and he’s POE’d. I could be wrong on one of my town reads, sure, but there is active reason for Teacher to be scum. I actually expect to be wrong on one of my town reads, which is why BaezuBob turns into more just scummy town, because I can also see that.

Teacher’s partner is likely on Raya right now

[Irrelephant11]

Voted/me/cinnamon/Menalque
I’m shocked if it’s menalque

[Irrelephant11]

VOTE: cinnamon

[Cinnamon]

@cinnamon

Cinnamon I think you’re a very capable mafia player. Do you agree?

I think so? Most of my mafia experience comes from IRL gameplay however so things like tells and meta are different here; that would be one area where I feel less confident.

[Cinnamon]

I'm on mobile right now but I'll try to respond more to this later. I would also be comfortable with a teacher lynch if there ends up being more support for that than Raya.

[Irrelephant11]

VOTE: raya mainly because deadline
Please claim

[Menalque]

VOTE: cinnamon

What was the motivation behind this?