Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

[Shoshin]

Shos, I know you softed, but did you role crumb at all? (also, Im still going back to your questions, but every fracking time I get one post in, its a page later and I have to click through 4 rounds of PEDITS)

I never crumb. I have PR meta, including cop and other investigative roles, that you can check this on.

[Detective Pikachu]

just show of hands how many people really really really don't want to lynch nom today again?

[nomnomnom]

did you role crumb at all?

give me a break teacher no one crumbs role when at l-3 with no other wagons as a pr replacing into a game, all you do in that situation is try to get the wagon off you and try to figure out who you're going to replace as the consensus lynch without fucking it up and hitting town

why are you voting me again if this is what you think about teacher?

this is the second time you make accusatory statements yet voting really odd slots at the same time

[Detective Pikachu]

cause you've pinged me twice and teacher only asked one dumb question

[teacher]

did you role crumb at all?

give me a break teacher no one crumbs role when at l-3 with no other wagons as a pr replacing into a game, all you do in that situation is try to get the wagon off you and try to figure out who you're going to replace as the consensus lynch without fucking it up and hitting town

She sure as hell softed at that point, IN THIS GAME. What the fuck are you talking about dont crumb role with those facts.

[Detective Pikachu]

She sure as hell softed at that point, IN THIS GAME. What the fuck are you talking about dont crumb role with those facts.

I feel like softing and crumbing are pretty different but maybe that's just me

[nomnomnom]

cause you've pinged me twice and teacher only asked one dumb question

You literally implied he had scum intent and outlined a good reason to do it, but you decide to vote a slot that "pinged you twice"?

Excuse me?

What are you doing dude? Again, this is literally the second time you do this. And ironically enough, the first time was a vote on ED when you had a shit load of reasons outlined to vote other slots, with a greater push.

What game are you playing here, DP? Tell me.

[Shoshin]

Pika, I don't understand why you'd even consider lynching me today? What are you finding actually scummy about me?

I mean I'm probably not voting you this daycycle, it's more a question of whether I can actually defend you. I'm like: can I argue Shoshin is town conclusively?

Like it would be a lot easier if you hadn't polluted the discussion with the massive "I don't play scum" argument when I feel like your play in Undertale wasn't that bad? So I'm like, kinda annoyed at you for trying to make that argument even though I'm not sure it's actually a scummy argument

I also don't want to just say "let's give every pr claim a day for the sake of giving every pr claim a day" cause then we just get every scum fakeclaiming pr and that gets kinda old too

It's not a scummy argument, it's a towny one. To be sure, the "I don't play scum" argument didn't play out how I was hoping. It was a bad play in this group of players. I won't make the same mistake again. But the actual point I was making still holds up.

You're the person who should be wanting me to live the entire game, not just another day. The PR stuff shouldn't be relevant to you. It's relevant to others, but you have enough sense to read me on behavior. Do that.

[Detective Pikachu]

i haven't gotten that far yet but it's like .... leagues different
she doesn't display anything close to the nuance of thought she's had here

can you expand on this? what do you see as nuance of thought from this game so far?

[skitter30]

VOTE: teacher

[Shoshin]

Pika, what's your take on Nero? You seem to be letting him off easy here.

[Shoshin]

Skitter, your take on Nero?

[teacher]

I disagree. I think if you are nervous enough to soft, you should crumb to give your claim believability if/when it is needed. Like, Im not going there today, but I do think it would be the logical play. It would certainly answer Nom;s "changing claim" attack, which is why I asked it.

[Nero Cain]

Sho, who is scum if me, you and nom are all town?

[Detective Pikachu]

You're the person who should be wanting me to live the entire game, not just another day. The PR stuff shouldn't be relevant to you. It's relevant to others, but you have enough sense to read me on behavior. Do that.

Let's let skitter finish towncasing you if she's going to cause I think she has a better chance of preventing your lynch than I do if she wants you not lynched today

[Shoshin]

Sho, who is scum if me, you and nom are all town?

I don't know at this time. I'm still waiting on a lot of players to weigh in.

[Shoshin]

I disagree. I think if you are nervous enough to soft, you should crumb to give your claim believability if/when it is needed. Like, Im not going there today, but I do think it would be the logical play. It would certainly answer Nom;s "changing claim" attack, which is why I asked it.

We disagree on how to play the game. This isn't AI.

[skitter30]

i haven't gotten that far yet but it's like .... leagues different
she doesn't display anything close to the nuance of thought she's had here

can you expand on this? what do you see as nuance of thought from this game so far?

uh .... like all of it?

specific posts tho: 1583; 1452; 1453

... like her whole iso?

[skitter30]

Skitter, your take on Nero?

was townie before, idk rn

[Detective Pikachu]

ye I don't think I want sho to go today

skitter how you feeling about nom in this push?

[Vorkuta]

Spoiler:

I'd never willingly replace into a scum slot. This alone should tell you that I'm likely town.

trust tell- do not like

Are you finally town, Skitter? I miss town you.

.....k

I get the sense Teacher's having trouble fluidly changing his reads based on new information.

+1

I'm voting you because you don't have legitimate reasons to vote me.

OMGUS

I don't feel like you're trying to sort me in good faith, Nom.

Nom doesnt have any good faith left in them

Please unvote, Salad. Give me a chance to solve this. You can put me at L-1 later. There's no rush on this. I've been lolhammered before, please don't let that happen this game.

I hate these deals

Please unvote me.

Please stop being bad at mafia.

Please improve.

I hate these appeals

You think I'm scum too, Cinn? Fuck this game.

Even more appeals that I hate

This game is actually hopeless.

Honestly.... I've seen this from shoshin when we weren't cooperating in NK2058 large

Nom, please stop talking to me. You're cluttering the game at this point with stuff that isn't helpful.

+1

Also, sho, what do you mean no resistance?

If I were scum, I'd have partners to defend me. I'd have partners to help build a counter wagon. I'd have support. There's none of that in this game.

mmmmm no
I'll explain in the end

@shoshin I feel like you're town reading me now. Why the change?

I can't townread you until you unvote me.

wow this appeal

Let's go with Nero, Cinn.

VOTE: Nero

The way he's pushing my lynch doesn't seem like something he'd do as town.

OMGUS

Sho, why are you still adamant that showing us you lurked more as scum in earlier games is ai despite the fact you

could

have changed your scum meta?

Probability.

Every time you use the word "could," you're talking about possibility.

I'm talking about probability.

oh boy semantics

Ayt- time for stuff that I need to decide and think about

First impressions:
STUFF THAT LOOKS BAD TO ME
-Shoshin's defense is gross and loaded with a ton of personal appeals which isn't something I expect from her.
Then again I've never seen a wagon on her (only scum NK's ) so I have yet to decide whether this is flailing scum or genuinely how town shoshin responds
-The OMGUS, the "I can't town read you until you unvote me", the "this game is doomed, town is bad" is just.....
-70% of shoshin's defense is her sitting on prior laurels
-I hate the modifier game that shoshin is playing. I've done it as scum. I grumble at this.
-I hate half the people that are pushing her as well so *grumbles even more*
-I might just lolvote just to prove nom completely wrong tbh

no I want to actually win this game

-I'm butthurt about my miller claim being ignored and dismissed, but now that shoshin has claimed cop this shit is happenening.
-So one of my mentors told me to look for the fact scum on D2/D1 tend to focus on hard defending themselves, while town still have some "scumhunting fight" left in them and at least try to get reads down, and that worked really well in JAZZ imho.

STUFF THAT LOOKS NOT BAD TO ME
-Hot take probability #1: The entire scum team is already (or was already) on shoshin and was waiting for a townie to hammer.
It's a hip and trendy new movement, provides WIFOM, VCA trouble in the future, and all that good stuff, but the drawback is that... a townie has to hammer
-Hot take probability #2: Almost the entirety (2/3s or whatever) of the scum team is voting for shoshin and the last one needs a good reason to get on or is heavily town!read and is conscious about looking bad when doing so or something.
This would allow me to rule out people who've lol!jumped on the shoshin wagon
-Shoshin knows that if for some reason she doesn't get NK'd, her investigative target has to be spot on (and all other potential scum interactions have ot be considered) and the cop claim seemingly didn't come out of nowhere, and claims COP of all things instead of literally half the roles available to her. Too bold for scum
-Why the fuck are we lynching a claimed cop D1? Like seriously why

[teacher]

Like, Im not going there today

I agree on it not being AI, I just figured I would ask in case you did.

[skitter30]

her scum iso is pointless questoins that don't go anywhere
she almost has more posts in the last day than in 4 dayphases as scum in a large

she does this aggressive/confident thing as town that's kinda lacking in her scumgame

there's like no nuance in her scum iso, it's mostly trite and banal one-line observations
or like aggression in pushing reads

[teacher]

Like, Im not going there today

I agree on it not being AI, I just figured I would ask in case you did.

Crap, I just pulled a Nero. I was quoting myself to show I already thought it wasnt AI, but just asking. The first nested quote is from me, not Shos.

[skitter30]

ye I don't think I want sho to go today

skitter how you feeling about nom in this push?

idk rn
i can believe that she actually beleives what she's pushing, not sure if it comes from town or scum

i'm still like on p62 tho so i might change my mind