Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

[Vorkuta]

Holy shit the tunneling this game is real

Spoiler:

Talk to me about vork.

I'm adding Nero/Vorkuta to the list of town.

Talk to me about vork.

Ok. Why was vork town before that?

Can you sell me on vork?

Can’t answer vork.

Why is vork town?

FFS why aren’t you answering the vork question.

Answer the vork question.

So why, oh, why, isnt the solution to lynch vork?

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you are resistant to going Vork for the day?

Woooooow
you and dunn just... woooooow

[nomnomnom]

huh whoops

@teacher

Because I know vork's lynch would not amount to her lynch and you should know that too.

It's all a game of perception and making the best moves with what you see.

And what I see is a fakeclaim and a move that town needs to make today. Lynch Shoshin. I guarantee you this wins the game.

If she flips cop, I will literally self-vote out of the game tomorrow.
Ok, you have that degree of confidence. I do not. So given where you are, why not form the consensus that is in line with your reads and still accomplishes the goal.

[Vorkuta]

@nom
did you do the nested quote oopsie again?

[nomnomnom]

what the fuck is wrong with my posts lmao

please help

[nomnomnom]

@nom
did you do the nested quote oopsie again?

i shouldn't abuse booze for reaL

[Vorkuta]

And what I see is a fakeclaim

>insert pages of me calling bunny a fake claim

I will literally self-vote out of the game tomorrow.

I want this

[u r a person 2]

@Nom - really I mean it now. Tell me why, in your world with the associatives you have created, you are resistant to going Vork for the day?

Regardless of Shos! alignment, how does it not benefit town?

Town!shos, who has claimed Odd-night [something] cop gets a chance to do her thing. She has to be NK'ed to prevent it. She can (a) be steered to a consensus slot worthy of investigation, and (b) either NK'ed to prevent a slot, or (c) saved to prevent a death if the associative flips green.

Scum!shos can be investigated through the associatives, and has to out some form of result that can be confirmed or debunked tomorrow.

Like Im not seeing the urgency for a D1 lynch with this claim. It is not today.

I was going to town case vork before shoshin happened

I'll get you posts and stuff but the gist of it is this:

I believe vorkuta is modeling his play after some of the agent provocateurs of the site. He gets reactions from people great, but he doesn't really know what to do with those reactions when he gets them. It's all based in a general town motivation to create content, and he's got good instincts on what kind of content to create. On my life either late tonight or tomorrow morning I will go through some of his posts where I saw this for you

I also think he has less of a grasp on the game state when he's town. Like, scum!vorkuta is trying to commit suicide with his pushes today. He's picked fights with *takes breath* Nom, teacher, skitter, buj, cinn, and dunn (maybe others, but that's what I can think of off top of my head). What is the scum team where the only two people you could accuse scum!vorkuta of pocketing are me and nero?

[teacher]

But tomorrow (a) Town!shos is dead or saved; (b) scum!shos is alive and outs results that can be confirmed (with a possible side benefit of scum! holstering the NK).

No, Vork's lynch does not amount to Sho's lynch. But if you believe the associatives youve claimed, you should view it as an effective way to investigate while covering the 0.001% chance youre wrong (which I see as higher).

[teacher]

What is the scum team where the only two people you could accuse scum!vorkuta of pocketing are me and nero?

In this world, Vork+Shos + (Buj?)

I dont see the fight with Buj as real.

[skitter30]

yeah the hyperconfidence is weird but like .... if shoshin flips town then they'll be in trouble ... what do u think of the fact that urap said basically the same thing

@shoshin i don't like nero's push on u

okay not quite the same thing. I'd make em fight for my mislynch

but I said I'd concede the scum reads on me =P

UNVOTE:

We're not in a super rush here. I think I'm taking the rest of the night off of this one

@skitter what would you estimate your accuracy is on sho, and what is your current confidence level?

answered these already but:

a) never played with scum!her but i've defended town!her like ... 4 times (i think? i don't remeber the number offhand) in just this way as i'm doing rn
b) i townread 3p!shoshin but the tells i use for her can't distinguish between 3p and town since she can legitmately scumhunt as 3p and this isn't really relevant anyways since it's a mini normal
c) v confident

[u r a person 2]

@URAP, I dont know if they have been Overtaken By Events, but Im still looking for the Vork/Nom town cases.

ya i hear ya mate. I just gave you the outline on vork

[teacher]

@Vork, to be honest, I dont want you lynched today either RN. I havent reevaluated the post-claim world. Im just playing with Nom's mindset and trying to understand why she wouldnt cover the risk of error.

[skitter30]

oh i think vork is town now btw

[nomnomnom]

But tomorrow (a) Town!shos is dead or saved; (b) scum!shos is alive and outs results that can be confirmed (with a possible side benefit of scum! holstering the NK).

No, Vork's lynch does not amount to Sho's lynch. But if you believe the associatives youve claimed, you should view it as an effective way to investigate while covering the 0.001% chance youre wrong (which I see as higher).

I know what you're thinking and how you are thinking about this.

But I am telling you: lynching shoshin is the strongest town move today. I know it.

Before I didn't really have that strong of a reason to believe in anyone being greatly scum this game.

But this changes everything. For the love of god, reread Shoshin's ISO and you will see what I've been trying to tell you ever since I started voting her.

She. is. not. cop.

[Saladman27]

She’s certainly the only confident vote I have...

[u r a person 2]

What is the scum team where the only two people you could accuse scum!vorkuta of pocketing are me and nero?

In this world, Vork+Shos + (Buj?)

I dont see the fight with Buj as real.

that would still leave him picking fights with a bunch of loud, strong willed players, most of whom never saw real pressure

I think town vorkuta is much more likely to interact his way into his own lynch like this than scum!vorkuta

I'm really trying to get off here I swear

[ofrhz]

VC TIME FINALLY

still at work so VCs are delayed. Sorry about that!

[teacher]

Youre good, I was more leaving that for when you make the case so you could know my reaction.

Im going to try not to keep hitting f5 and go back to the pile.

I lean towards believing the claim. In part because I dont. Here Im trying to learn my lesson from the last time I played with Shos, where I denied even a neap clear on her because I didnt like how she played that much. I get where you are coming from on tone, Nom, but like I (and Skitter) said, I think alot of her tone is playstyle.

I dont like how she came in, but I cant see a reason why that would be the lynch for today and think she is eminently sortable based on flips and actions tomorrow.

[nomnomnom]

I lean towards believing the claim. In part because I dont. Here Im trying to learn my lesson from the last time I played with Shos, where I denied even a neap clear on her because I didnt like how she played that much.

You are letting your past experiences define you this game.

This is a contradictory statement. You know that claim is bullshit. Everyone in this game knows it's bullshit. Yet you guys are too scared to vote there because you are too scared of being wrong and looking like a bunch of idiots if this flips cop.

But again, this never flips cop.

Shoshin flipping scum wins the game.

[Vorkuta]

This is a contradictory statement

triggered

ok nom is wrong&bruisedego!town
I invoke "too bad to be scum" with regards to that slot

[nomnomnom]

This is a contradictory statement

triggered

ok nom is wrong&bruisedego!town
I invoke "too bad to be scum" with regards to that slot

"I don't believe that claim"
"therefore it must be true"

are contradictory statements.

[Vorkuta]

Do you like completely stop reading the sentence/post after you find the first

spelling mistake

grammatical error

perceived flaw in logic?

Because that would explain so much

[nomnomnom]

Do you like completely stop reading the sentence/post after you find the first

spelling mistake

grammatical error

perceived flaw in logic?

Because that would explain so much

I understand the whole argument but it's still a contradictory train of thought because that's what lead up to it.

[teacher]

This is a contradictory statement

triggered

ok nom is wrong&bruisedego!town
I invoke "too bad to be scum" with regards to that slot

"I don't believe that claim"
"therefore it must be true"

are contradictory statements.

I never said must be true. I said inclined to believe. Like 60/40. Like I said earlier, much of what shoshin has said about her playstyle is true. Skitter is saying the same. Your reasons on her are more playstyle, which I view as NAI. Like I scumread her, but I've misread her. Yes, I want to cover my ass by not lynching a cop claim that I am uncertain on. I get youre certain. Kudos. Im not. So go back to building a consensus alternative because from the several posts (Skitter, me, Vork, others), Shoshin isnt happening today.

[nomnomnom]

I'm not building an alternative now.

No way.

Not after all of this.