Mini Normal 2081 — My First Game! [Game Over]

[Exilon]

No, I agree with you, it is in the same vein as those that I pointed out re: Cinn. It's still overall less than Cinn.

[Exilon]

also, what do you mean, I think you have credibility.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

To be more specific, I think it's more of a slip than a scum-driven agenda post.

that's fine. I've seen it happen before, so it isn't just conjecture. Nevertheless, it's worth whatever an early-game read is worth.

Feel free to direct attention to some other areas we can explore

i really dislike these two though. I think we just went from 'it is a scum slip' to 'lets look somewhere else' while skipping the vote and pressure in between.

town

really

shouldnt be doing that so early.

How are we defining slips though? Perspective slips? Or things that scum shouldn’t know but do? The former are when a player says or does something that simply doesn’t make sense from a town perspective and I’m not seeing that here. Exilon is just noting a Freudian like slip there and pushing and pressuring those never go well.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I dont know how I feel about exilon. I think its too easy for me to both write up a case on him and push it and i could also easily point out how he is making several observations and could be making notes.


I think what really sells me one way or another is how passive i think they are. unbiased observer. The key being reactionary in nature. And i dont like that.
VOTE: exilon

You’re going to have to walk me through this one. He’s been the exact opposite of passive.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don't need to have reads like other people. I do want to have something that resembles a confident read.

perhaps I phrased that wrong.

Nothing about your Exilon scum read tonal wise resembles confident. It feels like you’re trying to fake confidence when you say how easy it would be to case him and push it and not actually do it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Where’s Hieti?

Intent

[Menalque]

So from no-one moving off I’m gathering that this is being read as a fake claim? I’d like to know why before a hammer drops

UNVOTE:

[Exilon]

Yes.
1) His defense is "if I were scum I would self hammer"
2) Upon being L-1 he immediately claims with a heap of things to address and says "gg"
3) At least for me, what I pointed out doesn't magically become townie upon a claim.

[Menalque]

Okay, but do you not think doc is a weird claim to make?

Also the immediate claim at L-1 threw me a bit, no one had announced intent then

Like I feel that scum fakeclaiming doc to try and force the real doc to come out wouldn’t make the fake claim until intent was posted

[Exilon]

From what I read of pisskop ISO so far and with the way he's been playing, which is a bit loose, I wouldn't be surprised it is a fakeclaim.
What is weird to me is that he claimed then; in regards to what he claimed... I don't have any feelings on it? I mean if he's scum fakeclaiming I don't think he had any ulterior plan with it such as outing a real doc, it's just a fakeclaim.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

So from no-one moving off I’m gathering that this is being read as a fake claim? I’d like to know why before a hammer drops

UNVOTE:

Yeah I don’t buy it either and one of things I’ve come to learn is that role does not equal alignment.

[Robbnva]

also, what do you mean, I think you have credibility.

If I had credibility skitter would be the one at l-1

[Menalque]

I find it weird to claim doc as the D1 fake claim. Like, that has the least utility for scum in terms of eliminating a PR on N1, because it’s so purely protective. I think that scum would normally prefer to claim cop/tracker or even JK over doc here, and I think that with any fake claim there’s got to be thought about the CC scenario

And yeah I think I kind of believe it — like, I think he’s been playing really bad as doc, but that adds credence to my belief that it’s real. For instance, I feel a cop would be a much better fit for a claim (trying to lead pushes, but walking close enough to the mislynch line not to be the NK) so why would scum not do that?

[Robbnva]

So from no-one moving off I’m gathering that this is being read as a fake claim? I’d like to know why before a hammer drops

UNVOTE:

Doc is one of the easiest fake claims to make. I’m not sure if the tide has changed But I remember doctor was less common to be used over other types of protection roles.

That said. He could be legit.

I don’t have a read on him yet. As doc i don’t see why he’d buddy anyone, but especially not me.

[Menalque]

Robb, do you prefer playing as scum or as town?

[Menalque]

So from no-one moving off I’m gathering that this is being read as a fake claim? I’d like to know why before a hammer drops

UNVOTE:

Yeah I don’t buy it either and one of things I’ve come to learn is that role does not equal alignment.

?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I find it weird to claim doc as the D1 fake claim. Like, that has the least utility for scum in terms of eliminating a PR on N1, because it’s so purely protective. I think that scum would normally prefer to claim cop/tracker or even JK over doc here, and I think that with any fake claim there’s got to be thought about the CC scenario

And yeah I think I kind of believe it — like, I think he’s been playing really bad as doc, but that adds credence to my belief that it’s real. For instance, I feel a cop would be a much better fit for a claim (trying to lead pushes, but walking close enough to the mislynch line not to be the NK) so why would scum not do that?

Doctor is normally a pretty safe claim as scum because you can just claim to have protected someone other than the person who died and people hate lynching doctors.

[Menalque]

And yeah the timing is just off

If I’m scum there then I’m trying to look as town as possible — that means that I wanna keep the fact I’m doc hidden as long as possible, which means there’s no way I’m claiming before the intent comes

This whole thing reads to me as legit but really badly played doc getting frustrated

[Lil Uzi Vert]

So from no-one moving off I’m gathering that this is being read as a fake claim? I’d like to know why before a hammer drops

UNVOTE:

Yeah I don’t buy it either and one of things I’ve come to learn is that role does not equal alignment.

?

What I’m saying is that moderators are not afraid to give scum town like roles and modifiers to fuck with people. Read people based on play.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

His claim doesn’t read frustrated to me though.

[Menalque]

oh hey.

im the doc

gg guys

That really doesn’t read frustrated to you?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

oh hey.

im the doc

gg guys

That really doesn’t read frustrated to you?

Reads like sarcasm.

[Menalque]

Also why would you intent before half te board had a chance to react to the claim?

[Menalque]

Where’s the line? I think that’s sarcasm coming from frustration of feeling forced to claim his PR halfway through D1

[Exilon]

I'm with LUV on this.

Moreover.
Menalque, regarding your points - I think they're good ones - but they're very rational. If there's one thing that comes through in Pisskop ISO is that he's not considering that far ahead and not posting that thoughtfully. This isn't shade - I'm just saying that fakeclaiming to strategically out another real PR doesn't seem consistent with the playstyle he's been having.