Role Call I (Game Over)

[Vecna]

Let’s start from scratch then.

Miller = Momo
Inactive = Saudade
Compulsive Quitter = Sothis Stefon Styx

Can everyone agree on this?

I have an objction to a part of this i wont go into

[Vecna]

I don't think I hammered or anything so why are we doing a hard reset. I just think that Vecna is king is ???

I WILL NOT BOW TO HIM!

Yeah, now i definitely want to pass this

[Vecna]

I am offering up a competing proposal so that we more evenly spread out PRs to prevent mostly easy nightkill choices

propose:
1-shot Gladiator: Cheeky
Inactive: Saudude
Day 5 Innocent Child: Hidden Happiness
Inventor: Momo
Day 3 King: Gamma Emerald
Macho: Oversoul
Miller: Vecna
Odd Night Motion Detector: Apthet
Neighbor: Nero Cain
Neighbor: Almost50
Timid: Iconeum
Night 1 Universal Backup: Popsofctown
Vanilla: Lil Uzi Vert
Compulsive Quitter: Titus

I think this spreads out the PRs away from my strongest town reads, but it still gives them a chance to impact the game. Momo being the exception. I think momo is probably dead tonight with an RC scumflip, but at least he would most likely be able to get off one invention if he did die. Left the neighborhood alone because apparently those two can read one another. If anyone wants anything explained let me know.

I really dislike this allocation. Giving king and IC to two very lynchable slots seems yuk. If Titus flips scum we dont wanna wait for day five to flip hh.

Also too susp of gamma to give him king, for the reasons i mentioned two posta earlier.

[popsofctown]

HEAL: vecna

[Vecna]

Timid = Iconeum
Vanilla = CheekyTeeky
Macho = Saudade
Inactive = Vecna
Compulsive Quitter = Titus

abd then give everyone else w/e

Besides giving me inactive, this is exactly the type of allocation thatll make the nigjtkills for scum very easy to sail to endgame with a list of people that are most suspicious. and allow them to win

[Nero Cain]

Should we not be giving IC to lynchbaiit? Also, I remember Maria R being p good although Shadow and I did tunnel the fuck out of each other in mafia camp.

[Vecna]

Here are the roles you get to allocate for Day 1! Each role must be given to one player, and each player must get a role.

Day 1 Role Call

• 1-shot Gladiator
  (
  Day
  ): Once in the game, during the Day when no proposal is being voted on, you may challenge a player via bold post in the game thread ("
  Challenge:

  player
  "). All proposals that day are invalid unless they give the Compulsive Quitter role either to you, or to the player you challenged.
  
• Inactive
  (
  Passive
  ): For the rest of the game, proposals that give you a
  Day
  or
  Night
  action are invalid.
  
• Day 5 Innocent Child
  (
  Passive
  ): If you are Town-aligned, your alignment will be publicly revealed at the start of Day 5.
  
• Inventor
  (
  Night
  ): Once each on four Nights in the game, you may grant a new night action to a player in the game (other than yourself). Each of these actions may be given once:
  
  Spoiler: Inventions

  • 1-shot Bodyguard
    (
    Night
    ,
    Protective
    ): Once in the game at Night, choose a player other than yourself. Any
    Eliminate
    actions aimed at that player will be deflected onto you.
    
  • 1-shot Friendly Neighbour
    (
    Night
    ): Once in the game at Night, choose a player other than yourself. If you are Town-aligned, the moderator will confirm that fact to the chosen player. (If you use this ability when not Town-aligned, it acts as a Visitor, i.e. it targets that player but has no further effect.)
    
  • 1-shot Activated Hero
    (
    Night
    ): Once in the game at Night, you may activate this role. On the following Day only, if an accepted proposal would give you the Compulsive Quitter role, you swap places in that proposal with the player who proposed it (so they end up with the Compulsive Quitter role, and you take the role they gave themself).
    
  • 1-shot Announcing Mailman
    (
    Night
    ): Once in the game at Night, you may send the moderator a message, who will forward it on to a player of your choice. The message will be marked as having come from a Mailman, but the moderator will not confirm who sent it (until after the game).
• Day 3 King
  (
  Passive
  ): On Day 3, no other player will be able to propose; as the last remaining player with a proposal, your proposal will therefore be accepted automatically, without voting.
  
• Macho
  (
  Passive
  ):
  Protective
  roles will fail when used on you.
  
• Miller
  (
  Passive
  ): All other roles will interact with you as though you were Scum, regardless of your actual alignment.
  
• Odd-Night Motion Detector
  (
  Night
  ): Once on each odd-numbered night, you may choose a player, and will learn whether or not there was motion involving that player that night. A player has motion involving them if they use a
  Night
  action, or if a
  Night
  action is used on them, or both.
  
• Neighbour
  (
  Passive
  ): You will gain access to read and post in the Neighbour private topic, and may use it to discuss the game with the other players there.
  
• Neighbour
  (
  Passive
  ): You will gain access to read and post in the Neighbour private topic, and may use it to discuss the game with the other players there.
  
• Timid
  (
  Passive
  ): You cannot make proposals.
  
• Night 1 Universal Backup
  (
  Passive
  ): At the end of Night 1, you will automatically gain the role of the player who was eliminated Night 1.
  
• Vanilla
  (
  Passive
  ): This role doesn't do anything.
  
• Compulsive Quitter
  (
  Twilight
  ): You immediately leave the game and are eliminated.

Game status

There is no active proposal.
There have been no previous proposals.

Proposal available

(14): Hidden Happiness, Iconeum, popsofctown, Oversoul, apthet, Nero Cain, momo, Vecna, CheekyTeeky, Almost50. Gamma Emerald. Lil Uzi Vert, Saudade, Sothis Stefon Styx

Proposal unavailable

(0):

nobody

To end day with a particular role assignment, one player must propose it, and 8 players vote for it.
Deadline is currently 00:05 UTC on Friday 12 July (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2019-07-12 00:05:00)

). It will be extended when a proposal is made.

Gladiator - Gamma Emerald
Inactive - Saudude
D5 IC - Almost50
Inventor - Iconeum
D3 King - popsofctown
Macho - CheekyTeeky
Miller - Vecna
Odd Night Motion Detector - apthet
Neighbor - Lil Uzi Vert
Neighbor- momo
Timid - Hidden Happiness
N1 Universal Backup - Nero Cain
Vanilla - Oversoul
Compulsive Quitter - Titus

I could live with this as well. not sure if its better than what we have, but its fine. it meets the parameters i think

[Vecna]

does he count replace-outs as defeats?
I count them as defeats.

he definately lost a few games as scum in 2018

[Gamma Emerald]

how about we generate consensus that gladiator is an antitown role and that actually using the shot is a scumclaim
and just give it to one of the 80% of the playerbase that doesn't do stuff like fake guilty results as town and lolhammer before the claim in opens.

...why do I feel like this is calling someone out

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh I agree with Nero somewhat, it's better to not provoke him as it imo becomes harder to read him if he gets riled up. That said I think the clearest method to read him I've come up with only works if he gets riled up.

dont do crack cocaine boys n girls

Ex-fucking-scuse me?

[Gamma Emerald]

What the hell Vecna

[Vecna]

Should we not be giving IC to lynchbaiit? Also, I remember Maria R being p good although Shadow and I did tunnel the fuck out of each other in mafia camp.

Sure, but we have a pretty good line of analysis into maria/HH.

Slots like iconeum, sadade - very lynchable for most, hard to read correctly due to playstyle. these two would be my top candidates for IC. Maybe even LUV, but I feel i have a flawless record reading him.

[Vecna]

Eh I agree with Nero somewhat, it's better to not provoke him as it imo becomes harder to read him if he gets riled up. That said I think the clearest method to read him I've come up with only works if he gets riled up.

dont do crack cocaine boys n girls

Ex-fucking-scuse me?

What, that upset you?

[popsofctown]

Because of the Universal Backup you can just give the PRs to townreads. The mafia cannot remove a PR from the game by shooting at it until MAYBE N2, maybe not even then, we don't know what will be in the pool tomorrow, there might be a watcher or doctor who knows.

TBH it seems like a design flaw and cfj think 8 chess moves ahead on what this setups N0 unlimited mafia rolecop shots does to the NK game.

This is mostly in response to 554

[Hidden Happiness]

Alright Orihime head here. I'm not as busy anymore most of my stuff is unpacked. I think I should be 100% free tomorrow but you never know what moving into a new house and all that. Time to play some catch-up.

[Hidden Happiness]

While I do not need my proposal to be the final one, I would greatly prefer it to what is being proposed rn.

Giving the gladiator role to someone like Cheeky is highly sus imo. The gladiator will basically decide the D2 lynch. If it falls into scum hands, they can basically garuntee a mislynch. They chose someone that is scummy, say that they scumread this person, and think that this is the way that town needs to go.

Also, I doubt scum is going to kill anyone (me or otherwise) because of their roles because there is a backup. The kill will be based on how people have been playing.

The three most essential roles are Gladiator, King, and Backup. All three of those roles need to be strong TRs. As someone who is widely townread, (and knows that I myself am of course town), to me it makes sense to give me one of these roles. I'm aware that this may sound blatantly scummy to some people, but honestly, it's fact. Scum have daychat. If they want me dead, I'm gone anyways.

I strongly disagree with this whole mindset. The thing with a lot of these roles at least for day 1 we should be giving them to people we

do

find scummy. Because scum can't really hide any of these actions. That's why we want to give the 'bad' roles to strong townreads because that gives us a ton of information if someone with a strong role lives over someone who got a bad one. So while I'm fine getting what we have right now I think the whole reasoning behind it is wrong.

[Hidden Happiness]

Let’s start from scratch then.

Miller = Momo
Inactive = Saudade
Compulsive Quitter = Sothis Stefon Styx

Can everyone agree on this?

Why do people want the RC slot lynched? Also from what I can read Momo is a strong townread so I 100% think he should get the miller role. That way anytime roles do come up that are investigative no one can hide behind the miller. I remember Momos scum game being laughably weak. I forgot if I was talking to someone about this or played a game with it though.

@Mod can mafia kill and do actions in the same night

If the answer is no we need to give the inventor to a towny slot and plan out what they give to xyz so anywhere we get motion that's basically a guilty.

[Hidden Happiness]

I think the current list needs a bit of moving around but I need to iso a few slots before I can give a valid answer. I wish I had someone to talk to that wasn't my hydra partner right now but we'll make due.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think our main priority should be figuring out who we town and scum read.

Holy crap nice post.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'd rather you be king

No, thanks. I mean, I'm much obliged, but that's a BIG responsibility that I'd rather give to someone who has both good reads and a strong personality. (My reads can vary from game to game, but a town leader I know I am not)

P-edit: It took me some time to read that post, but it confirms my read on momo (and why I wanted him to be King initially). Thanks for being a townie, momo

Guys shouldn't the strong PRs go to people we want NK'd? Rather than top townreads?

[Hidden Happiness]

THANK YOU. I feel like I'm missing the giant picture here or something. Like from what I'm getting all the townreads are getting the powers and it's like... 'hmmm wonder who's gonna die.'

[CheekyTeeky]

Given that the possibility of our slot being scum has been the single largest discussion of the game so far and I don't want to play an entire game of that, I'd rather not try to create incentives for scum not to remove us from the game so let's just give us the IC, kill Momo for having a terrible scumread on me, and make MariaR hydra the universal backup because I scumread the shit out of both heads and would like to find a resolution to that issue that doesn't involve having to push a lynch on them.

No.

[CheekyTeeky]

My guts says Cheeky should get the IC role.

Why?

Scum are gonna try to make quick work of whoever they feel they can push easily, and I don’t think we have the luxury to wait around for someone to be confirmed town in a game like this. I think giving it someone who is unlikely to be lynched or night killed is much more optimal. It could force scum to kill a potential endgame option earlier then they would like to.

I don’t see you as lynch bait and I don’t see you as a high priority night kill. What I can see however is a world in which scum may leave you alive because you’ve been pocketed or just pose no threat to them. You’re pretty solid as town though and I think scum don’t want to deal with a Cheeky that’s going to be taken out of the lynch pool late game.

Uh.. this is so contradictory I'm like wtf.

[CheekyTeeky]

So you want me to be killed later because I'm not a threat? There's no logic here.

[CheekyTeeky]

A50 why aren't you commenting on something more useful?

Town.