Newbie 1943: Crosswords (Game Over)

[TemporalLich]

if you think my defence in temp is a ai then by all means lynch them im willing to bet my life they are town but are you? are you so sure they flip scum to the point your be d2 lynch? the only way you would keep up is if theres a cc in which case your role fishing on d1 which isnt towny becuse if they out them self we our giveing up are pr before they can help. i say stop at the soft at soft and dont push . pushing for a pr so early dose not help town.

should I be interpreting this as intent?

[cyrus62]

I'm wholly convinced Sera wants to have me at L-1 and not have me at L-1 at the same time. That's not how mafia works.

Which is why I outright voted you and put you at L-1. The math checks out.

Are you going to actually respond to my explanation for why your responses are flawed at best or...?

Also @cyrus- You didn't care about it being L-1 when Phoenix voted Robb back in early Day 1, you were happy to contemplate running my slot into the ground based off a post that you didn't even think was scummy because it was dragging out the day, why is Temp being at L-1 such a big deal for you?

Also I expect you to actually dig into these Red and Robb and Phone suspicions now.

if you think my defence in temp is a ai then by all means lynch them im willing to bet my life they are town but are you? are you so sure they flip scum to the point your be d2 lynch? the only way you would keep up is if theres a cc in which case your role fishing on d1 which isnt towny becuse if they out them self we our giveing up are pr before they can help. i say stop at the soft at soft and dont push . pushing for a pr so early dose not help town.

any way im done untill a se wighs in you guys dont understand what your doing

[cyrus62]

if you think my defence in temp is a ai then by all means lynch them im willing to bet my life they are town but are you? are you so sure they flip scum to the point your be d2 lynch? the only way you would keep up is if theres a cc in which case your role fishing on d1 which isnt towny becuse if they out them self we our giveing up are pr before they can help. i say stop at the soft at soft and dont push . pushing for a pr so early dose not help town.

should I be interpreting this as intent?

no i dont want a pr to out them selfs it gives scum a free shot

[Sera Masumi]

if you think my defence in temp is a ai then by all means lynch them im willing to bet my life they are town but are you? are you so sure they flip scum to the point your be d2 lynch? the only way you would keep up is if theres a cc in which case your role fishing on d1 which isnt towny becuse if they out them self we our giveing up are pr before they can help. i say stop at the soft at soft and dont push . pushing for a pr so early dose not help town.

I'm... not pushing for a PR. I'm literally just voting the person I find suspicious, which is how Mafia works. Also are you going to answer my questions?

This is a really weird thing for a Temp buddy to say, gotta admit. It's not enough to make me not want to lynch Temp, admittedly, but it is definitely something worth thinking about.

Though for the record if you are town, you should never "bet your life" that somebody else is town unless you have role-related reasons to believe they are. Just as I could be wrong about Temp, you could be too. Townies are wrong far more often than they're right.

[Spangled]

I'm wholly convinced Sera wants to have me at L-1 and not have me at L-1 at the same time. That's not how mafia works.

Which is why I outright voted you and put you at L-1. The math checks out.

Are you going to actually respond to my explanation for why your responses are flawed at best or...?

Also @cyrus- You didn't care about it being L-1 when Phoenix voted Robb back in early Day 1, you were happy to contemplate running my slot into the ground based off a post that you didn't even think was scummy because it was dragging out the day, why is Temp being at L-1 such a big deal for you?

Also I expect you to actually dig into these Red and Robb and Phone suspicions now.

if you think my defence in temp is a ai then by all means lynch them im willing to bet my life they are town but are you? are you so sure they flip scum to the point your be d2 lynch? the only way you would keep up is if theres a cc in which case your role fishing on d1 which isnt towny becuse if they out them self we our giveing up are pr before they can help. i say stop at the soft at soft and dont push . pushing for a pr so early dose not help town.

Someone being wrong on a lynch doesn't mean you should lynch them the next day, cyrus. That's just bad tactics.
And we should get Temporal to roleclaim. If he claims PR, and someone CCs, then we lynch one of them and either way we catch scum (because a VT should never fakeclaim. Doing that is gamethrowing).
One scum for one PR is actually not that bad. I don't know what the maths is on that, but I don't think it's bad.

[Spangled]

no i dont want a pr to out them selfs it gives scum a free shot

@cyrus

And we should get Temporal to roleclaim. If he claims PR, and someone CCs, then we lynch one of them and either way we catch scum (because a VT should never fakeclaim. Doing that is gamethrowing).
One scum for one PR is actually not that bad. I don't know what the maths is on that, but I don't think it's bad.

[Spangled]

I'm wholly convinced Sera wants to have me at L-1 and not have me at L-1 at the same time. That's not how mafia works.

Which is why I outright voted you and put you at L-1. The math checks out.

Are you going to actually respond to my explanation for why your responses are flawed at best or...?

Also @cyrus- You didn't care about it being L-1 when Phoenix voted Robb back in early Day 1, you were happy to contemplate running my slot into the ground based off a post that you didn't even think was scummy because it was dragging out the day, why is Temp being at L-1 such a big deal for you?

Also I expect you to actually dig into these Red and Robb and Phone suspicions now.

if you think my defence in temp is a ai then by all means lynch them im willing to bet my life they are town but are you? are you so sure they flip scum to the point your be d2 lynch? the only way you would keep up is if theres a cc in which case your role fishing on d1 which isnt towny becuse if they out them self we our giveing up are pr before they can help. i say stop at the soft at soft and dont push . pushing for a pr so early dose not help town.

any way im done untill a se wighs in you guys dont understand what your doing

We're trying to lynch scum...

[TemporalLich]

Someone being wrong on a lynch doesn't mean you should lynch them the next day, cyrus. That's just bad tactics.
And we should get Temporal to roleclaim. If he claims PR, and someone CCs, then we lynch one of them and either way we catch scum (because a VT should never fakeclaim. Doing that is gamethrowing).
One scum for one PR is actually not that bad. I don't know what the maths is on that, but I don't think it's bad.

I hope this isn't deliberate rolefishing...

[cyrus62]

Setup Information

2d3 (as designed by Cabd):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Neapolitan	Town Cop and Town Tracker	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Doctor	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Neapolitan and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Doctor

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role. The remaining six roles will be filled in by

one mafia goon

and

five vanilla townies

appropriately, to create a

2-mafia

and

7-town

setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

action takes precedence over a

Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Mafia have access to their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: Full Setups

Column A & Row 1:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Neapolitan, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 2:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 3:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 1:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 2:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 3:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Neapolitan, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column C & Row 1:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 2:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 3:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Doctor, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Spoiler: Sample Role PM's

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Neapolitan

Welcome!

You are a

Town Neapolitan

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Vanilla Townie

or

Not Vanilla Townie

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Tracker

Welcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

Your partner is

PLAYERNAME

who is a

Mafia Goon/Roleblocker/Rolecop

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Rolecop

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

Your partner is

PLAYERNAME

who is a

Mafia Goon/Roleblocker

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

Your partner is

PLAYERNAME

who is a

Mafia Goon/Rolecop

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

you may nopt have a doc in which case if its a cop they are dead and scum gets a free by and then d2 if we get it wrong they then know it hurts us cuse we only havew one to find them and "if theres a rb then they dont have to kill them but blocl them its best for pr to hide till d2 or d3. it helps us scum hunt better cuse they can check .

[cyrus62]

if me saying dont pr hunt is scummy then this town doesngt understand the way the game works .

[TemporalLich]

if me saying dont pr hunt is scummy then this town doesngt understand the way the game works .

Gonna have to agree, rolefishing is scummy.

[cyrus62]

if me saying dont pr hunt is scummy then this town doesngt understand the way the game works .

Gonna have to agree, rolefishing is scummy.

look at the date they started playing they dont understand pushing for a pr is bad it could be town that doesnt know

[Spangled]

Someone being wrong on a lynch doesn't mean you should lynch them the next day, cyrus. That's just bad tactics.
And we should get Temporal to roleclaim. If he claims PR, and someone CCs, then we lynch one of them and either way we catch scum (because a VT should never fakeclaim. Doing that is gamethrowing).
One scum for one PR is actually not that bad. I don't know what the maths is on that, but I don't think it's bad.

I hope this isn't deliberate rolefishing...

I'm not rolefishing, Temporal, I'm convincing cyrus that a PR outing themselves and one scum doing the same isn't a bad trade.
In the worst case scenario, it is C1, and Temporal is a town PR and claims, and scum CC. We lynch Temporal, someone takes the NK, and then we lynch the scum the next day, and someone takes the next NK.
That leaves us at D3 with 1 scum and 4 town, and lots of associative reads. That isn't even MyLo.

[Spangled]

if me saying dont pr hunt is scummy then this town doesngt understand the way the game works .

Gonna have to agree, rolefishing is scummy.

look at the date they started playing they dont understand pushing for a pr is bad it could be town that doesnt know

For the last time, we're not PR-hunting, we're trying to lynch scum. Temporal if you don't want to claim I'm fine with that. But understand, you've are softing PR by doing this. Even if we don't lynch you, if scum have a brain you'll eat the NK.

[cyrus62]

Someone being wrong on a lynch doesn't mean you should lynch them the next day, cyrus. That's just bad tactics.
And we should get Temporal to roleclaim. If he claims PR, and someone CCs, then we lynch one of them and either way we catch scum (because a VT should never fakeclaim. Doing that is gamethrowing).
One scum for one PR is actually not that bad. I don't know what the maths is on that, but I don't think it's bad.

I hope this isn't deliberate rolefishing...

I'm not rolefishing, Temporal, I'm convincing cyrus that a PR outing themselves and one scum doing the same isn't a bad trade.
In the worst case scenario, it is C1, and Temporal is a town PR and claims, and scum CC. We lynch Temporal, someone takes the NK, and then we lynch the scum the next day, and someone takes the next NK.
That leaves us at D3 with 1 scum and 4 town, and lots of associative reads. That isn't even MyLo.

do you see the rows if temp is cop we may just have 6 vt and then we lose are only pr

[Sera Masumi]

you may nopt have a doc in which case if its a cop they are dead and scum gets a free by and then d2 if we get it wrong they then know it hurts us cuse we only havew one to find them and "if theres a rb then they dont have to kill them but blocl them its best for pr to hide till d2 or d3. it helps us scum hunt better cuse they can check .

By this logic, anybody can softclaim a PR and we can never even push them to a claim, meaning that scum that fake hint at being PRs would win every time outside being investigated by an investigate PR that we might not necessarily even have, or can get killed in the night. Lynches have great return, but with that return comes an inherent degree of risk and that's something that one needs to always counterbalance.

The fact there's no resistance on my wagon means I might be done for.

What on Earth are you even talking about? There's two players out of 9 actively pushing against your lynch as hard as they can right now! In the last two pages!

[Spangled]

Now, scum might not CC, and we might lose a PR in Temporal by the NK. But I'm willing to turn away from Temporal if he claims, if only for this day, and turn my attention to others for the lynch. He'll eat the NK, yes, but if we lynch scum that day it's 6 town 1 scum D2. Worst case is we miss scum with the lynch and it ends up 5 town 2 scum D2, which is not even MyLo.

And we still get associatives and information.

[Spangled]

Someone being wrong on a lynch doesn't mean you should lynch them the next day, cyrus. That's just bad tactics.
And we should get Temporal to roleclaim. If he claims PR, and someone CCs, then we lynch one of them and either way we catch scum (because a VT should never fakeclaim. Doing that is gamethrowing).
One scum for one PR is actually not that bad. I don't know what the maths is on that, but I don't think it's bad.

I hope this isn't deliberate rolefishing...

I'm not rolefishing, Temporal, I'm convincing cyrus that a PR outing themselves and one scum doing the same isn't a bad trade.
In the worst case scenario, it is C1, and Temporal is a town PR and claims, and scum CC. We lynch Temporal, someone takes the NK, and then we lynch the scum the next day, and someone takes the next NK.
That leaves us at D3 with 1 scum and 4 town, and lots of associative reads. That isn't even MyLo.

do you see the rows if temp is cop we may just have 6 vt and then we lose are only pr

But we have so many leads at that point.

And he's already softing PR

; he'll eat the NK for sure.

[Spangled]

Unless he's scum.

[cyrus62]

are you realy willing to get are only pr killed.

[Spangled]

By this logic, anybody can softclaim a PR and we can never even push them to a claim, meaning that scum that fake hint at being PRs would win every time outside being investigated by an investigate PR that we might not necessarily even have, or can get killed in the night. Lynches have great return, but with that return comes an inherent degree of risk and that's something that one needs to always counterbalance.

Some call it rand (random), and I believe Temp is scum above the random chance.

[TemporalLich]

What on Earth are you even talking about? There's two players out of 9 actively pushing against your lynch as hard as they can right now! In the last two pages!

There's no counterwagon.

Cyrus being against my wagon isn't going to derail the wagon.

[cyrus62]

he could be lieing or again scum might we dont know 3 rows habe a roleblocker and block them and go who did you check in which case they cant say omg you lied you must be scum . see how that works

[Spangled]

are you realy willing to get are only pr killed.

But he will be killed if he's a PR; he's softing it so hard (if that makes any sense).
Any way we do it at this point he will be killed, but if he hardclaims (and he's not scum) we might catch the real scum out of it at this point.

[cyrus62]

stop this it isnt helping town