Newbie 1943: Crosswords (Game Over)

[Spangled]

OK, back again and here are my thoughts:

On one hand, I'm not really a fan of Spangled pushing for the claim, since any PR claim is grounds for scum to make a PR kill later at night.

But if he hadn't claimed, we would have lynched him. At least this way we have a chance to lynch scum.

[cyrus62]

who was on the wagon spangled thire may have been a scum there

[TemporalLich]

cyrus, I want Temporal's opinions, especially since we're treating him as conf!town.
And what we did only helped scum, in the long run, true, but there's a flip side; we thought Temporal was scum, and wanted to lynch him.
And if he was scum and we lynched him, then that would have been good in the long run; better even than this was bad.

a D1 PR lynch is really bad, but not as bad as a D1 No Lynch

Gonna provide a readlist soon

[Spangled]

i now however scum red spangled and the new guy for pushing for a pr clime so easy.

They pushed for the claim because they had suspicions and wanted them confirmed. If a person behaving weirdly is trying to allude that they are PR or is unintentionally doing so, asking them to confirm it actually makes it a little more helpful, since scum are much better at catching such softs than town, and claiming allows the town to gain the advantage scum would have had regardless.

in that case I guess I did what I had to do.

You did. This definitely wasn't best case scenario, but we would have suspected you at some point - because your ISO was really not great, let's face it - and I think it is better you claim when us disbelieving you isn't game-losing (i.e. when scum aren't going to CC you).

Pedit:
Which wagon, cyrus?

[Spangled]

Alright might as well mediumclaim:

I know 300% Phone's "claim" is a fakeclaim

A cop claim. Alright.
If there are real PRs out there, could one claim?
And if anyone lolhammers you are trying to gamethrow.

and on this note, anyone voting TemporalLich should probably get off right about now

Fair that.
UNVOTE:

[cyrus62]

temps wagon

[TemporalLich]

Town

: cyrus62

Townlean

: Cyan Talon, Adorable, Robbnva

Meh

: Spangled

Scumlean

: RedFlavor

Scum

: Sera Masumi

I can't help but TR cyrus. He's been a major factor in the town and in my decisions.

Cyan Talon is giving me fresh new insights that I feel come from a good place.

Adorable I can gel with but there is high scum equity (whatever that is) in her ISO.

Robbnva is townlean to me mainly due to his TvT interaction with me

I don't gel with Spangled but he isn't on my scum radar.

RedFlavor has been refusing to effort, not even trying to effort, and is in danger of being pinged rn.

Sera Masumi thinks refusing to effort is NAI (it's anti-town since it hurts the town by denying info and it's easier for scum to not effort), tries to put a Schrödinger's vote on me, multiplies by 1.5 when I push that as scummy to push my claim, and I don't get why Sera scumreads cyrus.

[cyrus62]

shit we only have 2 days to find scum i thought it was paused my bad

[Sera Masumi]

Sera Masumi thinks refusing to effort is NAI (it's anti-town since it hurts the town by denying info and it's easier for scum to not effort), tries to put a Schrödinger's vote on me, multiplies by 1.5 when I push that as scummy to push my claim, and I don't get why Sera scumreads cyrus.

Why do these things make me scum?

Also I scumread Cyrus because overall I find the interactions with your wagon insincere and inconsistent with things he has said in the past, a lot of his posts come across as slightly forced to me, I find the suggestion to lynch my slot before I was even replaced incredibly suspicious, and I consider his comment about you being our "only PR" a potential slip.

I'm for lynching Talon, to be honest. I prefer a Cyrus lynch but if I'm not getting that, then Talon has kinda just.... been here all game and is the player I'm getting the least positive vibes about, to be honest. I'm also willing to lynch RedFlavor though I would much prefer Talon.

[Sera Masumi]

I just wish her posts could be a little on the shorter and more concise side of things, but having a lot to say isn't any hurtful for town.

I'm trying to do a little better with that, let me know if I start getting too WOTy again, 'kay? Especially unspoilered.

[cyrus62]

Spoiler:

OK, back again and here are my thoughts:

On one hand, I'm not really a fan of Spangled pushing for the claim, since any PR claim is grounds for scum to make a PR kill later at night. But it's even less beneficial for town if we lynch the PR in question, so this puts Cyrus's argument in the spotlight as being fairly flawed. At the moment, I think that Spangled pushing for the claim sounds like paranoid town, but it's another of those things which is indicative of both alignments.

I still think Sera's case makes some sense, but with the claim coming from Temporal I'm going to have to call it probably a wasted effort unless it turns out he's faking the claim as scum. I just wish her posts could be a little on the shorter and more concise side of things, but having a lot to say isn't any hurtful for town.

Alright might as well mediumclaim:

I know 300% Phone's "claim" is a fakeclaim

A cop claim. Alright.
If there are real PRs out there, could one claim?
And if anyone lolhammers you are trying to gamethrow.

and on this note, anyone voting TemporalLich should probably get off right about now

i now however scum red spangled and the new guy for pushing for a pr clime so easy.

They pushed for the claim because they had suspicions and wanted them confirmed. If a person behaving weirdly is trying to allude that they are PR or is unintentionally doing so, asking them to confirm it actually makes it a little more helpful, since scum are much better at catching such softs than town, and claiming allows the town to gain the advantage scum would have had regardless.

They pushed for the claim because they had suspicions and wanted them confirmed. If a person behaving weirdly is trying to allude that they are PR or is unintentionally doing so, asking them to confirm it actually makes it a little more helpful, since scum are much better at catching such softs than town, and claiming allows the town to[/quote then lets hope theres a doc right other wise all this did was get a pr killed

Have you been paying attention to what I said? If Temporal had already softed PR, he'd be dead no matter what. By claiming he lets the town know as well, so scum don't have any greater advantage.

Temporal is most likely going to die tonight. Claiming wouldn't have changed that.

OK, back again and here are my thoughts:

On one hand, I'm not really a fan of Spangled pushing for the claim, since any PR claim is grounds for scum to make a PR kill later at night. But it's even less beneficial for town if we lynch the PR in question, so this puts Cyrus's argument in the spotlight as being fairly flawed. At the moment, I think that Spangled pushing for the claim sounds like paranoid town, but it's another of those things which is indicative of both alignments.

I still think Sera's case makes some sense, but with the claim coming from Temporal I'm going to have to call it probably a wasted effort unless it turns out he's faking the claim as scum. I just wish her posts could be a little on the shorter and more concise side of things, but having a lot to say isn't any hurtful for town.

so im bad for getting pisst you realize there is only a 25 chance of a doc and cop so we could end up with no pr

Would you rather we lynch the PR?

btw he did post alot and let me if i get this right 1st game here aim at se when unable to take down the se you aim at the only one realy tring to find scum besides my self and your thinking you can just control the lynch like that?

[cyrus62]

VOTE: Sera Masumi because i scum read the way they ran temp to l1 forced a soft and then a hard clam and when they faild to lynch a pr they aim at 3 other towns so i think they are just testing the waters to see who the easiest lynch is.

[cyrus62]

scum lurk and prod doge so they don't get seen as much as town and so ofc i thought connar and phone were scum and he also rvs voted him self and then replaced out he also fake cc a cop role yet you don't aim at phone but instead aims at temp then my self then cyan and then red your not helping town at all .

[TemporalLich]

Why do these things make me scum?

Also I scumread Cyrus because overall I find the interactions with your wagon insincere and inconsistent with things he has said in the past, a lot of his posts come across as slightly forced to me, I find the suggestion to lynch my slot before I was even replaced incredibly suspicious, and I consider his comment about you being our "only PR" a potential slip.

I'm for lynching Talon, to be honest. I prefer a Cyrus lynch but if I'm not getting that, then Talon has kinda just.... been here all game and is the player I'm getting the least positive vibes about, to be honest. I'm also willing to lynch RedFlavor though I would much prefer Talon.

Calling scummy things NAI is a poor way of defending a player.

The vote doesn't feel town-motivated at all, I feel it's scummy in trying to rolefish me and manipulate me.

Yeah the comment about me being the only PR can be explained as a scumslip but to me it just seems out of place. But I disagree cyrus is forced.

I'm not voting Cyan Talon.

VOTE: Sera Masumi because i scum read the way they ran temp to l1 forced a soft and then a hard clam and when they faild to lynch a pr they aim at 3 other towns so i think they are just testing the waters to see who the easiest lynch is.

Yeah I really despite how Sera uses the vote to strongarm a claim out of me. Though Spangled was first to L-1 me.

[cyrus62]

spangled was lead by her to do so

[Sera Masumi]

they aim at 3 other towns

Wait, you have Red as a townread? What happened to this?

i now however scum red spangled and the new guy for pushing for a pr clime so easy.

what no case and hes town cuse red said so

or red for saying phone is town cuse i playd with him . i need these people to be looked at closer before i even think of voteing my town reads

(Cyrus has been like this all game btw)

[Sera Masumi]

spangled was lead by her to do so

How did I do that exactly?

[TemporalLich]

spangled was lead by her to do so

at this point I'm confident in saying Sera should be powerlynched

[cyrus62]

they aim at 3 other towns

Wait, you have Red as a townread? What happened to this?

i now however scum read spangled and the new guy for pushing for a pr clime so easy.

what no case and hes town cuse red said so

or red for saying phone is town cuse i playd with him . i need these people to be looked at closer before i even think of voteing my town reads

(Cyrus has been like this all game btw)

[cyrus62]

fixd it

[cyrus62]

they aim at 3 other towns

Wait, you have Red as a townread? What happened to this?

i now however scum read spangled and the new guy for pushing for a pr clime so easy.

what no case and hes town cuse red said so

or red for saying phone is town cuse i playd with him . i need these people to be looked at closer before i even think of voteing my town reads

(Cyrus has been like this all game btw)

thats how i play read my town game i posted word for word dont just skim it

[Sera Masumi]

thats how i play read my town game i posted word for word dont just skim it

I didn't. Walk me through your read on Red, then.

[Sera Masumi]

Also I really don't think arguing with Temp is going to get the town anywhere and just clutter up the thread- I'm going to break from the thread for a while unless anyone has any questions or cases against me; I'm happy to engage with either.

[Sera Masumi]

thats how i play read my town game i posted word for word dont just skim it

Oh, I misread "read" as "red", that was my bad. I still want you to walk me through your read on red in the context of the other two quotes, though.

[cyrus62]

i shorted red and he come up as town but hasnt been playing much since they thought the game was on hold for 5 days so i have to wait for red and phone to be replaced before i can short better cyan is town temp is town and i am town i want to say spangled is town adorabke is town rob is town im pretty sure your scum and i cant short red as of now or phone but red was scum hunting and i think hes town