Undertale Semi-Open Spared PT

[chennisden]

piece of shit.

chemist is obviously honest.

GOD FUCKING DAMN I HOPE THE TOWN LISTENS AND LYNCHES ONE. preferably oversoul.

[chennisden]

LYNCH ONE OF THEM YOU GODDAMN.

GOD.

Ok elements is now obvtown though and if he gets spared im ok with that but otherwise god damnit

[chennisden]

okay uh

oversoul maybe town?

[chennisden]

i just finished reading

uh

[chennisden]

i don't think it could be os/chemist and this is a gambit? like they run the risk of the real PR CCing and both of them going down.

would like everyone to confirm that they're vt but w/e i cant do shit.

idc what alignment oversoul is just send chemist i guess

would rather have elements in here but mechanically this is right.

uh

[chennisden]

is this a level 69 play from town oversoul. pretending not to push my agenda and then just pushing it.

or is this, as elements aptly said,

Mafia Oversoul claims PR, Chemist PR claims including the maths of the game end, Mafia Oversoul realises it was a terrible mistake and backs out claiming it was a gambit.

this feels very wish-washy.

[chennisden]

lemme think why G_E was killed.

[chennisden]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11171700: DDL Chennis town (probably right on DDL and obviously right on me).
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11171724: Oversoul scum (probably right.)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11171782: Calls oversoul out on his shit. (this might make deb town who knows)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11171885: "You're dead to me oversoul" (holy shit this is so damning).

So my conclusions:

oversoul is scum
DEB is maybe town
DDL is prolly town

[chennisden]

@mod when the spared PT is no longer in play (via a failed pacifist route or a neutral route) do the members of the spared PT retain the ability to view this thread?

in the pacifist route, when the 5th person is spared, can they see the spared PT?

if so, will we be able to quote from the spared PT during a failed pacifist run (as everyone can see the contents)?

[chennisden]

this is a unique situation as oversoul has backed out, meaning he's obv a fake

he should be treated as scum for the shit he's done i think. especially his bullshit about "add me to spared PT so i can guilty chennis." yeah right, fuck you. you're the scum and that's where the red will turn up, DUH.

[chennisden]

chemist's unvote is towny.

[chennisden]

not being able to post is so fucking annoying and i really pity u when u get in here, chemist

[chennisden]

at least we have someone who's basically an IC and obvtown so we dont have to reply to scum

[chennisden]

btw this isn't a playstyle conflict i just think oversoul is scum

[popsofctown]

@mod when the spared PT is no longer in play (via a failed pacifist route or a neutral route) do the members of the spared PT retain the ability to view this thread?

in the pacifist route, when the 5th person is spared, can they see the spared PT?

if so, will we be able to quote from the spared PT during a failed pacifist run (as everyone can see the contents)?

The rules state that the fifth player joins the spared PT and is able to use it for the duration of the time the mafia is deciding their kill.

The first and third questions are less addressed by the rules and my resolution of the question will be that you can view it and quote it because all 4 players have seen every single post it includes at some point.

[chennisden]

Alright thanks

[chennisden]

goodposting volxen!

you really should push yourself eventually since you're obvtown. your point on oversoul is actually really good as well since yeah that's a clear motivation for scum oversoul and no clear motivation for town oversoul.

i do think going too deep in the "we must pacifist" mindset isn't

great

but there's no reason to give up now as volxen pointed out correctly. i dont see the ddl townreads as much as everyone else so i would prefer elements d3 but yeah that's pretty much it?

[chennisden]

uh yeah volxen is right on a lot of things. this also supports my belief that {volxen elements adorable} are all town

that NKA needs to happen though! who will step up... to the mantle

[chennisden]

I wonder what Chennis is doing in the void. I hope it is like one of those completely silent rooms. I think that’s a fitting punishment.

Well first and foremost we knew definitively that Chemist is town. I didn’t want to risk the PR getting killed with a counterclaim so I did it to confirm that he is town.

I also did it because if we go the neutral route (which I think we should at this juncture) at worst we will lose outright because Chennis is scum which we probably lose to in Pacifist anyway or we confirm Chennis and Chemist as scum and go into a 3 town, 2 mafia end game with 2 of the town conftown.

That said the spare route is mighty appealing because I think I found one more very likely town. I am pissed that Gamma died because he was gonna pretty town yesterday when I fooled his ass

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Piece of shit.

What are you talking about? Yes we knew Chemist was town after you baited the PR claim early but goddamn.

Also we're only going in with one clear because they're killing one of the conftowns. So no it's not as good as you think it is.

I push my partner here D1, period. This game is really hard to win for scum without a pacifist double-spare. I can push myself here VERY EASILY any time of day. Unless my partner can push themselves in which case, yes, you would be throwing if I'm scum.

this is scum gloating about their kill, obviously

Not entirely wrong. I shouldn’t be so absolutist. But definitely not as how I would if I was really as self proclaimed town as he was, especially given that he wasn’t the PR and could draw the NK away from the PR or even possibly get two conftown

That's not the point of this setup or my play, goddamnit.

I do find DDL town reading me to suspect... normally only scum correctly read me as town that early

It is.

[chennisden]

Oversoul if you hated and scumread chennis so much why did you literally force through his plan of having the PR claim and get spared?

Also I don’t hate Chennis. I just scumread him. Hate is a strong word

lol

[chennisden]

idk why SS insists i can confidently read him here

he might be right but idgi

[chennisden]

btw volxen claiming mason should be NAI since its more of a "nice we r playing together again" greeting

[chennisden]

How do you feel about my townreads on DDL and Adorable?

Don't rlly see the DDL read. He doesn't seem scummy but I don't see a town read. I don't like 302.

this is kinda what i think about DDL.

[chennisden]

i dont think adorable is like just a godly deepwolf who has this master strategy of sparing chennis, removing his influences while chennis has you as his bottom TR (ofc just counting people who he

read

, aka his wagon). uh but idk if i'd want adorable spared over certain people (elements volxen)? but yeah adorable is a good spare.

i also hate how people are letting some slots get away with discrediting volxen. stop

[chennisden]

@Oversoul, Do you have any previous completed games with Chennisden (particularly games where Chennisden was town), or is this game your first time playing with him?

First time playing with him. Why does this matter?

It gives me a baseline to work with with respect to sorting your slot based on how you are reading Chennisden's slot. If you are town then you and I have completely different reads on Chennisden, and I'm trying to make sense of that. I think that Chennisden was transparently towny on day one, and I think that this is something that people who are familiar with him in particular are likely to have picked up on.

I’m going back and forth on that. I think if he is town he played yesterday entirely wrong. It doesn’t quite make sense to me that someone who thinks they are so town and can win the game would advocate leaving on Day 1 where they will have little impact on the rest of the game.

I hammered him because I think less info is oddly actually better for the town in this setup

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How does ending the day early with less information benefit town?

go volxen!

Town hunting generally requires a lot less effort or content to do than scumhunting. As evidenced by your super strong read on Chennis very early yesterday

this is NOT an answer to the question.