Project ARCH - Epilogue

[WhemeStar]

Fred the cat fucked this game up I think

[Gamma Emerald]

Also Whem your sig is hilariously out of date

[Rainn]

Fred the cat fucked this game up I think

I didn't think you would scum claim so boldly

[Rainn]

man i want to flip bambi fucking hard

> People start voting his super scum read "Primate" (like, 5 or so posts before this)
> Primate didn't say anything about the wagon yet
> He already tries to change focus again

seriously...

[Gamma Emerald]

Fred the cat fucked this game up I think

I didn't think you would scum claim so boldly

Okay talk about this
I also like what you point out against Cloudy

[Rainn]

Fred the cat fucked this game up I think

I didn't think you would scum claim so boldly

Okay talk about this
I also like what you point out against Cloudy

Wheme is kind of like the guy that gives up when the situation is so bad, I thought we had some very very minimal chance of him actually scum claiming when I throw a softball at him. As of now I'm kind of like 85% sure that he flips red but it didn't cost me anything to try to get it to 100%.

About Cloud...well, it's right there. I have a bit more to talk about it though, I'm just reading the last pages and figuring how to put forward my lynch pool.

[WhemeStar]

Also Whem your sig is hilariously out of date

I tried finding the avi again but I never could

[Rainn]

Ok, I finished it up. Here's my opinions:

If Wheme flips scum, Gamma is town.

If both Cloud and Primate flips scum, Oversoul is very weakly more likely town than not. (otherwise no)

If only Cloud flips scum and Primate not, while Cloud's role isn't about millerizing people, Oversoul is very likely scum.

Cloud in my pov is pretty much scum regardless of anything.
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Lynching order:

I think scum are probably all inside: Wheme/Cloud/Primate/Oversoul/MariaR

If there is scum out of that pool, I think my lynching order would be something like: Chemist > Kiddamn , as long as Wheme flips scum. I'm not considering PP/A50 here for now but after the massclaim I recommend to give them a bit of thought if all scum aren't in that original pool.

If Wheme isn't scum, I don't have a town read on Gamma tbh.

I'll explain more about each slot, and why this pool/order/conclusions from now on. Not sure if everything is going to be posted today.

[Rainn]

@Kiddamn I would like you to vote anyone with no votes (it can be me as long as it's not serious) just to confirm that you actually can't vote.

[Rainn]

By the way, I'm considering there to be a 4-man scum team here.

[Rainn]

I would also like for people to not put Wheme on L-1. Actually, a single person unvoting him for a little bit would be nice, just to make sure that there is no self-hammer.

[Primate]

Seems like you're endorsing a wheme wagon there without being on it. 85% and not wanting a claim?

PPEdit: what are you trying to achieve?

[Almost50]

@Kiddamn I would like you to vote anyone with no votes (it can be me as long as it's not serious) just to confirm that you actually can't vote.

It has been verified if you do a manual count. His name isn't even in the VC (except as a voting target).

[Almost50]

I would also like for people to not put Wheme on L-1. Actually, a single person unvoting him for a little bit would be nice, just to make sure that there is no self-hammer.

UNVOTE:

[Almost50]

Yaaay! I'm a nice guy

[Primate]

I looked at some other games and whemestar could be scum meta-wise. I just find it weird that a scum would pick an uneeded fight with RC d1.

@wheme: do you have a history that could justify this as scum?

VOTE: rainn

[Rainn]

I'll start by Wheme.

I've read 4 games from Wheme's history. In three of them he was scum (he actually have roll scum quite a lot recently), and in the newbie one he was town.

If I had to sum up his playstyle, it would be, straightforward, casual and simple. As town, as long as he is trying, he genuinely tries to gamesolve and understand the motivations behind other players posts, while as scum, he tries to *appear* as gamesolvy, putting forward reads but giving less attention to details of how he came to those. He is also a bit more confident on giving people "absolute reads" as scum, which doesn't change much over the time (as long as the tables don't turn against these players). He also fools around more as scum I would say, or rather, he fools around trying to pass it off as activity. It's not like he doesn't do that as town, but he does more that as scum I think, because after all he isn't interested in engaging a game where he already knows everything.

Notice that here for example, he focuses on calling RC scum/gawking him mindlessly for quite a bit, while throwing around explanationless/thoughtless reads to pass it off as him "gamesolving".

Another habit he has as scum is testing out waters. I've at least two examples (that i'm a bit too lazy to link right now), of scum!Wheme saying "can someone explain this to me", "can someone explain Z's vote (Z being his scumpartner)", "shouldn't we be voting X (scum partner) because of Y?". Although he can buss, he isn't that interested in pushing them for real, although he may suggest them sometimes or deathtunnel them if the tables are already against his partner(s) (In what I think was the Upick game, he defended mastina with posts like "why are we voting mastina again" until...mastina was ~kind of ~ outtedwolf by her claim, and from this point onward he deathtunneled her).

Well, here are some similar posts of him here:

Why are ppl voting primate again

Rc do you townread cloudkicker

Rc wanna vote cloud with me

Therefore, I scum read Primate/Cloud/Wheme individually, but I do think that there's some awful interactions between them.

I'm getting a bit of a cold feet about Primate being in the team though, but not enough to change my mind.

He does this here with...primate

[Rainn]

I looked at some other games and whemestar could be scum meta-wise. I just find it weird that a scum would pick an uneeded fight with RC d1.

@wheme: do you have a history that could justify this as scum?

VOTE: rainn

scum!Wheme actually loves to pick a fight with a read, constantly calling them scum, to appear as if he is doing something when he is really not

[Rainn]

Oh right, there is also this post of Wheme about Oversoul that seems like the lowkey defenses he likes to do for his scumbuddies:

Why would oversoul scum claim role early on?

It's not really worth much thought though, it can just be a random thing he wanted to say to look gamesolvy.

I mean, if he isn't town and we are all wrong.

[Primate]

Ok I'll check that now. (I liked that last post)

[WhemeStar]

I think gamma is closer to correct than you afe

[Rainn]

Cloud I already have said a lot so I'll make it simpler.

Everytime he has a scum read, he suddenly pushes them aggressively but not long after he starts grapping as straws to town lean them or his focus get completely redirected because of someone's posts to which he reacts more aggressively than necessary, always using buzzwords like "obvious", "100%/200%/300%", "fucking" and etc which is something that scum commonly uses to give more impact to their posts (even I do it, although i'm aware of the "tell").

He also always have the mindset of "showing" town his "towny" thought-process more than actually engaging the person.

Here are some examples of the above points/arguments:

I read a few recent games of detective as both alignement

and my confidence on her slot flipping scum decreased significantly
VOTE: primate

I particularly highlighted this post because I think I was wrong earlier, since he does go for primate before begin of D2. However, he doesn't really talk about the slot that much, he just votes it.

Anyway, my point here is that he particularly says "I read some of his games" even though the game is just starting and he doesn't seem like a meta player at all (I mean, I don't remember him searching for other players meta afterwards, especially his main scum reads). It seems more of a post to say "look how town i'm, reading other players games". He has a few posts like this, another example being him constantly mentioning people with "@" only to ask...really dull questions imo. I know it's something that town does, but like, scum just love to do that, and his seem rather pointless.

[Rainn]

I think gamma is closer to correct than you afe

Well, it seems you're still worth a vote then anyway?

[Rainn]

My Primate read is like...bad associatives and completely lack of anything I could find genuine/town aside from...more interactions with the people I scum read. I'm getting a bit of cold feet here though.

My MariaR and Oversoul read is similar, and although it seems not convincing, I think trying to find scum by lynching people you think are less town than others, is often a more realistic and effective method than always trying to "gotcha scum" with arguments/tone reads or whatsoever.

[Rainn]

Anyway don't forget PP/A50. PP can be clever scum tbh.

I think that's all from me. I've done enough gamesolving effort for this game I imagine. Then like...

Let's lynch in Wheme/Cloud/Primate/MariaR/Oversoul, and if something go wrong I'll go for Chemist > PP/Kiddamn, in this order although i'm swingy on the PP read.