mini 2093, the search - an interminable period of darkness.

[cyrus62]

i was trying to play both sides didnt work well i might add should have just told scum i was able to spy on bandits i thought i had to hold the crown once to win so i thought the best way to do so was getting the bandits to hang numbers.

[Channel Fireball]

I mean fireball basically took a break from the site they were annoyed enough at this game. What are you talking about that I "stopped playing"? You mean after the point that the game was unwinnable because all of the scum had scumclaimed?

I mean it's true that some people still had wincons but basically the scumclaim made it impossible for my slot to win once the vig shot was gone. so I think it's pretty rich that you're complaining about my play

I mean I was already done with this site before this game so I don't really know what the point of a boycott would be or why you're being melodramatic. But saying that I stopped playing doesn't really make sense when the only wincon was town agreeing with me to lynch an IC who then would have to lose the game which is... Like quasi bastard at least.

[cyrus62]

also i wasn't able to play town game when my charger broke and i didn't think sky would call me out on it

[cyrus62]

bur i enjoyd the show good game all

[Skygazer]

I mean fireball basically took a break from the site they were annoyed enough at this game. What are you talking about that I "stopped playing"? You mean after the point that the game was unwinnable because all of the scum had scumclaimed?

I mean it's true that some people still had wincons but basically the scumclaim made it impossible for my slot to win once the vig shot was gone. so I think it's pretty rich that you're complaining about my play

I mean I was already done with this site before this game so I don't really know what the point of a boycott would be or why you're being melodramatic. But saying that I stopped playing doesn't really make sense when the only wincon was town agreeing with me to lynch an IC who then would have to lose the game which is... Like quasi bastard at least.

Due to this it will be a bastard game within reason.

[skitter30]

i was trying to play both sides didnt work well i might add should have just told scum i was able to spy on bandits i thought i had to hold the crown once to win so i thought the best way to do so was getting the bandits to hang numbers.

Were you playing on mobile?

[Channel Fireball]

Yes and? I wasn't saying it was wrongly advertised I was saying it was lost and complaining at someone because they stop playing a lost game is dumb

[Channel Fireball]

and I didn't even stop playing lol I just recognized it was unwinnable

[Errantparabola]

I mean fireball basically took a break from the site they were annoyed enough at this game. What are you talking about that I "stopped playing"? You mean after the point that the game was unwinnable because all of the scum had scumclaimed?

Like I said, that post was made in response to the series of posts (I don't particularly want to go and dig them up, but I assume then that they were made by Fireball) saying they refuse to play a game that they've already lost and asking other people to lynch you. I'm not being melodramatic -- clearly you have no confidence in me as a moderator and instead of getting excessively upset you are free not to continue playing my games.

[cyrus62]

i was trying to play both sides didnt work well i might add should have just told scum i was able to spy on bandits i thought i had to hold the crown once to win so i thought the best way to do so was getting the bandits to hang numbers.

Were you playing on mobile?

no my laptop charger broke.

[Channel Fireball]

I don't think you're a bad moderator. I think this setup didn't work but generally I just think people can learn from setups that don't work. I might have missed some stuff Fireball said I guess

[Channel Fireball]

Like I think having any extra wincon would be a big challenge that could have a big impact. "You must be on a wagon that lynches a scum." Doesn't sound too flashy but even an extra thing like that can have a big impact on how mafia plays. Making everything lyncher/quasi lyncher/ role guess for win I think meant too much of the game was incentivized to not play like town which made the game frustrating. I think the core premise (mafia with extra conditions) can be cool but I think this went a bit too bastard to still be fun evenly. *shrug*

[Channel Fireball]

Actually I think making the slot die if the vig doesn't go through would have been fine; the annoying thing was not being removed from the game after win was no longer winnable but also it no longer being winnable being unclear. so you're sitting in a game you're like 75% sure you can't win but technically would be throwing to just let yourself get lynched in. So even the premise of the role maybe could have worked, just making a one-shot win condition that doesn't remove you from the game if it fails needed to be tweaked in a big way

[Channel Fireball]

Beyond "as town you have to vig the ic" being kinda ehhh as a premise beyond that

[Channel Fireball]

Looking at what fireball said she was pretty clearly pissed but I kinda don't see why it was an unreasonable reaction to the situation

[Flavor Leaf]

Three cheers for victory

[Menalque]

Three cheers for victory

You were in this!?

[Flavor Leaf]

Yup

[Menalque]

Oh, turkey?

[Menalque]

Jesus FL, how many alts do you have?

[Channel Fireball]

It had "Leaf" in the name

[Menalque]

oh wow, I'm slow

[Pine]

EP the setup could’ve used some polish, but it was otherwise fine. This was advertised as a bastard game with some wincons difficult to achieve. Anyone who didn’t heed those warnings needs to blame themselves.

I think the moderator decisions during the game were as reasonable and humane as possible in a tough situation when you had players behaving as they did.

PenguinPower deserves the win here

[Pine]

I’m nominating this setup for Mad Scientist (Best New Mechanic).

I know, it wasn’t balanced. Boo hoo - I dealt with it, and was prepared to nominate it even if I lost.

Mad Scientist doesn’t honor balance - it honors creativity and innovation, considering how the basic game of Mafia was changed and adapted. This game involved not one or two innovative mechanics, but numerous. The bandits against the Empress and Bodygurds, Outlaw vs Bounty Hunter, Prophet and Priest against Whisperers...all of these are interesting twists which would have formed the centerpiece of a more mundane setup. The meta innovation of each player having an individual wincon on top of a factional wincon also contributes to the body of knowledge for future games.

Yes, we broke the setup. Yes, the balance could have been better. But the setup was original, creative, and downright fun to play. EP deserves Scummy consideration.

[chennisden]

sry friendos.

the setup had some nice twists, like making sxum turn on each other. i didnt really understamd why we had no nightkills.