Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[EpicCreeper9002]

That means intent to hammer, right? Personally, I'd wait a bit longer to see if discussion picks back up again.

[emps]

fark thats not whats reachy means... reachy means taking a NAI or even town posts and calling them scum. or just reaching for impossible scumteams.

[emps]

oh no giving intent to hammer generates discussion. i think at least

[emps]

ill read the skitter walls...

sometime soon

[Farkran]

Everyone went into watchdog mode and is avoiding any action to wait for the hammer, trying to analyze or faking it and prepare their accusations on day 2. Not the correct way to go for town, but i understand everyone's thirst for true information. I made my calls, but accused people are refusing to answer and people willing to go along with me are not entirely reliable.

At the very least, before hammering you may want to hear everyone's opinion about the situation.

Current wagon on me is:

1. Selynee (tried to re-open today's conversation, very much town-like)
2. emps (went into blindrage, calling me out for semantics rather than facts just as teacher did, cannot possibly fathom how i would make him listen to reason by now - still a possible angered townie if not goading scum)
3. skitter (disappeared completely, turns my townread on her down a fair bit)
4. teacher (also disappeared completely)

Other people's declared standings are:

Menalque: intent to hammer (the only other one willing to re-open conversation, townread increasing)
creeper: defending me (i still believe he's a newbie coming from my world and appears to understand me, very much likely VT but the possibility of mafia is significant)
sushi: defending me (for no reason at all, scummy as hell atm)
notspam: null (can't understand why he's gone out of the conversation, doesn't follow my line of thoughts about him)

[emps]

idk maybe claim?

[emps]

also, im not in blindrage. ive been actively pressuring you and asking you questions, and you have been ignoring, taking them out of context, flat out misrepping them, or completely missing the point. that doesnt make me think ur town at all, and it only furthers my scumread on you.

[emps]

Updated readings:

Notspam: town 70%
Menalque: town 60%
Sushi: 50/50
Emps: 50/50
Selynee mafia 60%
teacher mafia 60%

Other two people still MIA, still convinced there's 1 mafia there

what on earth made selynee read as scum and why do you already have such strong scumreads and then call out one of skitter/creeper as scum

In post 182, Sushi Martyr wrote:
Selynee wrote:
Nah, not against the rules. Also, if there was a real hammer against town page 6, person would be lynched 90% of the time D2. Not such a great deal for mafia.

Why is Notspam town?


@ Farkran: Can you answer the question at the end of it? That part confused me too (you putting NMSA at 70% town).


I understand you think of me as a newbie, and legitimately so since this is my first game in this forum, and my first mafia game altogether after more than 7 years. I'm not hiding behind the newbie shield though, i am getting tells from people's posts and actions. Most pro-town people at the moment are notmyspam, Menalque, possibly sushi. I also really didn't like epic posts, i'd like to hear more from him - skitter is hiding behind VLA so anything i say about her would be irrelevant at this point.

completely dodged the question gj

Now i look like a good girl from an anime i like. Also hello to all the newly arrived.

My readings so far:

Selynee - town 70% very proactive
Menalque - town 50% mafia 50% trollish
teacher - mafia 60% too serious to be town PR
notmyspam - town 70% plays like expert town
sushi - town 50% mafia 50% trollish
emps - town 65% aggressive play

Other two have yet to speak, 80% at least one mafia hiding in there

UNVOTE:

VOTE: teacher

why is being serious scummy? what changed between theese posts that turned Selynee & I into SRs? why on earth is nmsa 70% town rn? what part of his play felt "expert" to you?

i stated his reaction was townie, not that i townread him overall. most people dont have all their posts be townie or scummy, most have both types.

[emps]

also dissapearing for a while isnt necessarily scummy. plenty of people have irl to deal with.

[emps]

i dont get how sushi is scum for defending you based on tone but creeper is likely town because he is defending based on more concrete evidence? creeper is TRing/TLing me based off of tone, and cant describe it as much more than "uhhh gutread"

[emps]

"dissapearing completely"

they havent even been off for a day

trust me like no other newb games are this fast paced (except the trainwreck that was newbie 1942)

[Farkran]

@emps
I clarified myself on my Selynee claims, fakehammering is not a thing where i come from, it's considered a dirty play.

Teacher has been buddying with you since forever, how are you failing to notice that? You say you're pressuring me but what you are actually doing is ignoring everything else. Take a break, reread, and think.

Sushi is being scummy atm as hell because, contrary to what i'm getting from creeper, he's playing knowledgeably and he's strongly buddying with me - meaning he heavily disagrees with you at this point - yet he's not willing to go along with my calls and he's also ignoring everyone just like you are BUT he isn't emotional about it. Seems to me that he can be mafia, unwilling to hammer and waiting for the town to do his job. The possibilty of a teacher-sushi team is growing in my mind.

[teacher]

3. skitter (disappeared completely, turns my townread on her down a fair bit)

Wait, let me see if the person I am talking about said anything about this.

Spoiler: They did!

5. est; mostly after work (i have a 9-5 office job), sometimes at work if it's slow and i'm bored, i'm v/la fridays and saturday

4. teacher (also disappeared completely)

Wait, let me see if the person I am talking about said anything about this.

Spoiler: They did!

5. Late night/early morning nyc time or mobile fun in free periods.

Its honestly like you dont even fucking read the game but just decided to randomly through shade.

[emps]

fucking claim already good god fark

[emps]

you are at l-1 and have intent, you should claim and stop shade throwing.

[emps]

i mean he isnt necessarily buddying me. we usually mind-meld a lot

[emps]

3. skitter (disappeared completely, turns my townread on her down a fair bit)

Wait, let me see if the person I am talking about said anything about this.

Spoiler: They did!

5. est; mostly after work (i have a 9-5 office job), sometimes at work if it's slow and i'm bored, i'm v/la fridays and saturday

4. teacher (also disappeared completely)

Wait, let me see if the person I am talking about said anything about this.

Spoiler: They did!

5. Late night/early morning nyc time or mobile fun in free periods.

Its honestly like you dont even fucking read the game but just decided to randomly through shade.

aw man holy fuck a misrep oh no we've never seen this before or anything like that

[teacher]

You can see him changing his mind, blindly following emps's passionate reasoning, exactly two posts after declaring he wouldn't - his explanation for this action does not hold any water since i have been under pressure all the time so far.

Let me be v explicit about the reasoning. my readslist looks a fair amount like Skitters. I dont trust Menalque yet. I thought Menalque was on you.

Turns out, Menalque urged an early wagon on you, then left for VERY reachy reasoning. Meaning he could have been a partner looking for bussing cred knowing the first wagon of the day does not normally go through.

So, if Menalque was off wagon, you have two potential partners, not just one. And I like the wagon comp (Selynee, Skit, emps) alot more. AND, if Im wrong and we actually flip you, I learn that my reads on them is off base and there is likely a deepwolf in (skit/emps). Lots of good to be done.

Finally, intent has been given. You should hardclaim your role.

[emps]

@emps
I clarified myself on my Selynee claims, fakehammering is not a thing where i come from, it's considered a dirty play.

Teacher has been buddying with you since forever, how are you failing to notice that? You say you're pressuring me but what you are actually doing is ignoring everything else. Take a break, reread, and think.

Sushi is being scummy atm as hell because, contrary to what i'm getting from creeper, he's playing knowledgeably and he's strongly buddying with me - meaning he heavily disagrees with you at this point - yet he's not willing to go along with my calls and he's also ignoring everyone just like you are BUT he isn't emotional about it. Seems to me that he can be mafia, unwilling to hammer and waiting for the town to do his job. The possibilty of a teacher-sushi team is growing in my mind.

how about instead of shade throwing you answer the questions you ignored?

[teacher]

1. Selynee (tried to re-open today's conversation, very much town-like)

2.

emps (went into blindrage, calling me out for semantics rather than facts just as teacher did, cannot possibly fathom how i would make him listen to reason by now - still a possible angered townie if not goading scum)

3. skitter (disappeared completely, turns my townread on her down a fair bit)

4. teacher (also disappeared completely)

Other people's declared standings are:

Menalque: intent to hammer (the only other one willing to re-open conversation, townread increasing)

creeper: defending me (i still believe he's a newbie coming from my world and appears to understand me, very much likely VT but the possibility of mafia is significant)

sushi: defending me (for no reason at all, scummy as hell atm)

notspam: null (can't understand why he's gone out of the conversation, doesn't follow my line of thoughts about him)

I color coded scum (red) null/conflicted (purple) and town (green) reads. This is hella scumsided.

[emps]

idk they seem very flip floppy abt their reads but not in a logical or like even somehwat coprehendable way

[Farkran]

@emps are you even serious now? Please, tell me again what you'd like me to answer

@teacher your reasoning does not accomplish anything. Information does. Lynching me is an awesome information source, i have no reason to go against it at the moment. My only request to everyone is that you listen to all slots before hammering.

[emps]

like selynee was always open to convo and they ignored it for a while and was even sring them for a while and like not much changed between the sr and now and its... weird

skitter & teacher are the most bs reasons for SRing someone

menalque/creeper are actually the ones that have been treating ur slot the scummiest imo, and i feel like the mena tr is just like trying to pocket mena/stop him from hammering, doesnt feel like a genuine read.

sushi : scumread by fark (for no reason at all, actually p townie atm)

nmsa : def doesnt have rl or smth why havent you been on reeeeeeeeee

[emps]

Updated readings:

Notspam: town 70%
Menalque: town 60%
Sushi: 50/50
Emps: 50/50
Selynee mafia 60%
teacher mafia 60%

Other two people still MIA, still convinced there's 1 mafia there

what on earth made selynee read as scum and why do you already have such strong scumreads and then call out one of skitter/creeper as scum

In post 182, Sushi Martyr wrote:
Selynee wrote:
Nah, not against the rules. Also, if there was a real hammer against town page 6, person would be lynched 90% of the time D2. Not such a great deal for mafia.

Why is Notspam town?


@ Farkran: Can you answer the question at the end of it? That part confused me too (you putting NMSA at 70% town).


I understand you think of me as a newbie, and legitimately so since this is my first game in this forum, and my first mafia game altogether after more than 7 years. I'm not hiding behind the newbie shield though, i am getting tells from people's posts and actions. Most pro-town people at the moment are notmyspam, Menalque, possibly sushi. I also really didn't like epic posts, i'd like to hear more from him - skitter is hiding behind VLA so anything i say about her would be irrelevant at this point.

completely dodged the question gj

Now i look like a good girl from an anime i like. Also hello to all the newly arrived.

My readings so far:

Selynee - town 70% very proactive
Menalque - town 50% mafia 50% trollish
teacher - mafia 60% too serious to be town PR
notmyspam - town 70% plays like expert town
sushi - town 50% mafia 50% trollish
emps - town 65% aggressive play

Other two have yet to speak, 80% at least one mafia hiding in there

UNVOTE:

VOTE: teacher

why is being serious scummy? what changed between theese posts that turned Selynee & I into SRs? why on earth is nmsa 70% town rn? what part of his play felt "expert" to you?

i stated his reaction was townie, not that i townread him overall. most people dont have all their posts be townie or scummy, most have both types.

are you blind

[emps]

claim ur fucking role