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Post Post #350 (ISO) » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:41 pm

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In post 346, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 344, Iconeum wrote:VOTE: kop

can we pile up here please? 2 posts for the duration of this game isn't phenomenal, maybe we can squeeze his thoughts out of him
Has Datisi’s catch-up affected your read on her?
I'm very curious to see her respond to your questioning :)
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Post Post #351 (ISO) » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:45 pm

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This was on page 6:
In post 129, Datisi wrote:Slight preference to vote for Tchill over Luca, but neither are pinging me as scum yet.
So I wasn’t pinging her as scum and she preferred to Lynch Tchill, yet now she is saying I’ve been giving her bad vibes and she was waiting to see if I would change....doesn’t quite add up.
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Post Post #352 (ISO) » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:47 pm

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In post 349, Luca Blight wrote:@Datisi: It seems odd then that you preferred a Tchill Lynch over a Luca Lynch earlier in the day if I’ve been giving you bad vibes the whole time.
At the time, the ping was slight, and I was willing to give it the benefit of the doubt and see if I start getting pinged more or less by you. Also Tchill has gone up since, hence why he's currently above both Icon and Emperor too.

Btw, what was this about?
In post 97, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 87, Datisi wrote:
In post 79, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Klick, sorry, didn't realize that was to me. No idea what they'd be talking about. Maybe how they should interact or not interact?
Is that all you think the Mafia would be talking about right now?
What do you think they’re talking about?
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Post Post #353 (ISO) » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:48 pm

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Datisi you are working on those 'devoid of life' quotes you promised, right?
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Post Post #354 (ISO) » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:49 pm

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Yes, I'm going through his ISO. I'm struggling how to put my thoughts into words though. Give me a moment.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #355 (ISO) » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:49 pm

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@Datisi:It seemed like you were expecting scum to be discussing something more specific (I also wasn’t aware of the no day chat) so I was wondering what your thoughts were.
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Post Post #356 (ISO) » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:52 pm

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In post 354, Datisi wrote:Yes, I'm going through his ISO. I'm struggling how to put my thoughts into words though. Give me a moment.
You put up a readslist pretty quickly. If you mention someone has an iso that is 'devoid of life' i'd expect certain posts to have pinged you for such a remark.

Just quote them so we can see what you mean.
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Post Post #357 (ISO) » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:52 pm

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Also Datisi, are you saying my posts have become faker/more devoid of life since you gave that opinion on page 6?
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Post Post #358 (ISO) » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:54 pm

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In post 355, Luca Blight wrote:@Datisi:It seemed like you were expecting scum to be discussing something more specific (
I also wasn’t aware of the no day chat
) so I was wondering what your thoughts were.
Huh. You didn't read all the game rules? And when going through my ISO later on, you didn't mention it?

pedit: yes, I would say so. Also I realize now "devoid of life" might have been too harsh, but I'll stick with fake.
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Post Post #359 (ISO) » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:55 pm

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which posts came across as fake?
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Post Post #360 (ISO) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:00 am

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In post 231, Datisi wrote:
In post 224, Luca Blight wrote:Incidentally, Flippy's reaction to the same incident looked pretty genuine, which is why I've put him around the null level. I actually dislike such tests as it causes me to doubt myself; such reactions can look so effective, yet be so easily faked by a good player
Would you otherwise be SRing him?

pedit: strong desire to put him at L-1...
So after the one post where you nulled Luca, this is your only interaction with him. Hardly an interaction town would make with someone they think is faking their posts, right?
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Post Post #361 (ISO) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:03 am

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Why pressure Billy (my solid townread) and Nippleflips (not a bad choice, but your motivation was lacking), and NOT the slot you think was 'faking' it or who's post are 'devoid of life'?
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Post Post #362 (ISO) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:06 am

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I realize that "devoid of life" was a wrong way to put it, and I apologize if I did come across as too harsh.
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In post 141, Luca Blight wrote:
I’m very busy this weekend but will try and catch-up every now and then.
In post 213, Luca Blight wrote:
Catching up presently.
In post 214, Luca Blight wrote:
Just reading up now...


As of the start of page 7, I'm feeling pretty good about Flippy, Klick and Billy. Iconeum seemed Townie based on his start,
but I may have to revisit that slot at some point
, Tchill's contribution at the end of page 6 seems decent.

Klick's is either townie or confident scum work. I'm leaning towards the former atm.
In post 215, Luca Blight wrote:Tchili mid page 8 is either showing genuine Townie emotion or is a skilled scum player - it reminds me of my own frustration in past games.

Just skimmed the last couple of pages - gonna get myself more comfortable for some deeper reading. Right now I'm not really scumreading any of the active players, which is pretty rare for me.
The only one that falls slightly below the null line is probably Datisi based on her content, or lack thereof. Hopefully we get some replacements in soon.

Gonna read back again now.
In post 218, Luca Blight wrote:I also agree with the 'trying to look Town' bit regarding the topic of whether we should use the full day or cut it short.

Also, as a side point, I never understand why, as a Townie, you would tell scum what you're looking out for (in this case, specifically the interactions between possible scum partners). This isn't necessarily AI in of itself as I see this kind of thing all the time, but it's just something I feel is counter-productive.
In post 224, Luca Blight wrote:Looking over Datisi's ISO - it's full of game theory chat and passive questioning - this is where my slightly below null read originates from. The only real point of interest is - Would scum do such a 'test'? Looking back at it, it felt a bit unnecessary of Datisi because Billy's answer to Klick's original question already provided the 'townslip'. I think I'm leaning towards this being an act from scum who are at a loss of what to do, so choose to do something that appears to be useful Town work, with the additional benefit of getting a Townie onside (which, if this scenario is accurate, would have been successful given Pilgrims TR of Datisi).

This is still very much a work in progress,
but my reads are something like this at the moment:

Tchill
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Pilgrim, Icon, Flippy,
Datisi

Incidentally, Flippy's reaction to the same incident looked pretty genuine, which is why I've put him around the null level. I actually dislike such tests as it causes me to doubt myself; such reactions can look so effective, yet be so easily faked by a good player
In post 305, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 278, Almost50 wrote:
In post 54, Luca Blight wrote:So far getting positive vibes from Icon, Klick and Pilgrim. Somewhat negative vibe from Datisi.
care to expand a little bit with specifics? Cuz I honestly had no vibes at all from any of the posts I read so far (posts before this one I'm quoting)
I expanded on the Pilgrim vibes in . I felt positively about Icon early on mainly due to the fact he seemed to be posting without thinking too much
(I’m aware some players can do this as scum, but it’s a half-decent starting point)
. The vibes about Klick were mainly due to the ‘drunken’ posting.
Again, this could be a clever scum move but I felt it was more likely to come from a Townie.
In post 325, Luca Blight wrote:
Looking after my kid at the moment so hard for me to fully check back,
but I think I’ve covered most of the above already. I had a very slight townread on you based on the opening. By the time I made my catch-up post you hadn’t posted for like three days, nor had your ‘serious’ work at that point done much to give me a read on you either way, so I had you as null. Recently I’ve agreed with your points of view on Nippy (or rather you agreed with mine) and on Klick, plus I’ve seen some positive game advancing work from you, so I have you as a town-lean. I haven’t Iso’d you yet but that’s where i currently stand. The rest of your questions I believe I’ve covered already if you look back.


I've marked in red the parts that are pinging me. It simply seems as if he's trying to position himself in a "town-leadrer, voice of reason" position and to appear much more busy/credible than he is. Also note that these posts came after I nulled Luca.

pedit: as I said, I was willing to give him more time. I'm still not certain in this, but you've forced me to out my thoughts, so whatever.

pedit2: Billy and Emperor had single posts that pinged me more, and I was willing to jump on those to see what they mean. Luca has been slowly pinging me across the game.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #363 (ISO) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:12 am

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Post Post #364 (ISO) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:16 am

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Busy atm so can’t keep up with the live chat, so bear with me.
In post 358, Datisi wrote:
In post 355, Luca Blight wrote:@Datisi:It seemed like you were expecting scum to be discussing something more specific (
I also wasn’t aware of the no day chat
) so I was wondering what your thoughts were.
Huh. You didn't read all the game rules? And when going through my ISO later on, you didn't mention it?

pedit: yes, I would say so. Also I realize now "devoid of life" might have been too harsh, but I'll stick with fake.
I actually did read the game rules but I forgot about it.

What should I have mentioned?
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Post Post #365 (ISO) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:17 am

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Datisi you are capable of much better reads then that when ur town

Town!you doesn't just read those posts and thinks 'hey, he's using excuses to post less, this means he is position himself as town leader!'

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Post Post #366 (ISO) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:20 am

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In post 362, Datisi wrote:I've marked in red the parts that are pinging me. It simply seems as if he's trying to position himself in a "town-leadrer, voice of reason" position and to appear much more busy/credible than he is. Also note that these posts came after I nulled Luca.
There are multiple instances (you even marked them red) where he says he is busy and his reads are a work in progress (which they should be?)
From this you make a story that says 'he's positioning himself as town leader' that doesn't make sense

You also said you think his posts are devoid of life, which is ok to say but I disagree. You change your story to 'his posting seems fake' which is not a lesser degree of 'devoid of life', but something else entirely. You kinda had to change, because you know you can't sell his posts as empty.

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Post Post #367 (ISO) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:22 am

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In post 364, Luca Blight wrote: What should I have mentioned?
The fact you didn't know about the daytalk. I kinda feel like you would've mentioned that part when going through my ISO, since you did bring up
In post 365, Iconeum wrote:Datisi you are capable of much better reads then that when ur town

Town!you doesn't just read those posts and thinks 'hey, he's using excuses to post less, this means he is position himself as town leader!'
I'll take that as a compliment, but this game is genuinely confuzzling me.
Btw, I don't think "excuses to post less -> positioning to be Town leader".
Was thinking more along the lines of "excuses to post less -> still getting TR'ed even though he might not be contributing as much" and "a lot of logical reasoning -> positioning to be Town leader"
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Post Post #368 (ISO) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:25 am

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In post 341, Datisi wrote:
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Their posts seem... fake? I can't explain it well, but I just feel their posts are so devoid of life, like they're cold and calculated.
It could be just their playstyle, but it's giving me bad vibes.
Of course they should be a work in progress. But the way he keeps pointing it out.

Also I called them "fake" efore I called them "devoid of life".
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #369 (ISO) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:27 am

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In post 368, Datisi wrote:
In post 341, Datisi wrote:
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Their posts seem... fake? I can't explain it well, but I just feel their posts are so devoid of life, like they're cold and calculated.
It could be just their playstyle, but it's giving me bad vibes.
Of course they should be a work in progress. But the way he keeps pointing it out.

Also I called them "fake" efore I called them "devoid of life".
Hmm indeed. You use that 'devoid of life' in a different way then I had in my mind.

Datisi am I reading you wrong here?
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Post Post #370 (ISO) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:30 am

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Could be I guess.

And I'll assume you're SRing me at the moment, so yes, you're reading me wrong.
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Post Post #371 (ISO) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:30 am

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I think there's a decent chance all 3 of us are town here
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Post Post #372 (ISO) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:32 am

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VOTE: kop

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Post Post #373 (ISO) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:35 am

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Do I feel something in my pocket, Icon?
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Post Post #374 (ISO) » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:38 am

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I don't need to pocket you. I could just push all of this previous and be in a cozy little tunnel if I wanted to.
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