Mini Normal 2095 - Game Over!

Iconeum · Post Post #1050 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:52 pm

It's not about being able to fake it or not. What do I as scum have to gain from moving away from you when you say yourself 'momentum was coming back'?

Datisi · Post Post #1051 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:54 pm

The ability to say "scum!me wouldn't do that". Also you try to get rid of the more aggressive player against you while you keep the one you can potentially talk into following you alive.

Iconeum · Post Post #1052 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:56 pm

Datisi, if I'm scum I NK Alisae close to 212% of the time for being a powerplayer alone.

Iconeum · Post Post #1053 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:56 pm

I don't go against him in game, I NK him.

Iconeum · Post Post #1054 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:56 pm

WIFOM that all you want, you know it's true.

Datisi · Post Post #1055 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:57 pm

In post 1054, Iconeum wrote:WIFOM that all you want, you know it's true.

HOW do I know that? I've never played with scum!Icon.

Iconeum · Post Post #1056 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:58 pm

In post 1051, Datisi wrote:The ability to say "scum!me wouldn't do that".

Being able to say that grants me nothing.

Iconeum · Post Post #1057 (ISO) » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:59 pm

Sigh. Ok I tried. I really did. If you are too stubborn to even think I could possibly be town here then fuck it.

Datisi · Post Post #1058 (ISO) » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:00 am

Holy hell I'm trying to read you. If that's how you react to a legitimate question then fucking hell.

Iconeum · Post Post #1059 (ISO) » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:00 am

what legitimate question?

Datisi · Post Post #1060 (ISO) » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:01 am

In post 1055, Datisi wrote:
In post 1054, Iconeum wrote:WIFOM that all you want, you know it's true.
HOW do I know that? I've never played with scum!Icon.

Iconeum · Post Post #1061 (ISO) » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:03 am

In post 1037, Datisi wrote:
In post 1032, Iconeum wrote:And because I don't think scumbuddy Ali comes in protecting scumbuddy Datisi like that, I'm having serious doubts about Datisi and would rather pressure Ali at this point.
Agh, I don't know about this.

You say you don't think the team is Ali/Datisi. Fine. But this makes is seem like you want to push Ali today, and if they flip Town, go "oh well Datisi was scum all along lol". Because I have a feeling lynching Ali today then me tomorrow is gonna require much less scum effort than the other way around.

In post 1045, Datisi wrote:
In post 1043, Iconeum wrote:That's the thing.

If we lynch Datisi today, you either flip town or scum.
If you are scum, then I would go after Ali today for the way he protected you.
If you flip town, I'd still go after Ali for the way he protected you and the unfounded case on Luca so I guess that's why I switched votes
I thought you didn't think we were buddies?

Iconeum wrote:And once again, you scumread me but why would I, as scum, be sticking my neck out like this going against a powerplayer when I could take the expected path and tunnel you to death without drawing unnecesarry attention to myself?
I'm not sure if you even can deathtunnel me at this point. I'm trying to figure out what's happening.

In post 1049, Datisi wrote:
In post 1046, Iconeum wrote:Let me ask you this then, Datisi.

If you get the Luca lynch today, what happens tomorrow?
If he's scum, we scramble around and continue yelling at each other until we figure something out.
If he's Town, I'm powerlynched.

In post 1048, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1045, Datisi wrote:I'm trying to figure out what's happening.
Do you feel I'm working an agenda or am I doing the same thing?
At this point I'm starting to think your actions are too illogical/inconsistent to have an agenda behind them. But I don't know if scum!Icon's able to fake that.

In post 1051, Datisi wrote:The ability to say "scum!me wouldn't do that". Also you try to get rid of the more aggressive player against you while you keep the one you can potentially talk into following you alive.

In post 1055, Datisi wrote:
In post 1054, Iconeum wrote:WIFOM that all you want, you know it's true.
HOW do I know that? I've never played with scum!Icon.

All of this is you shading me, and playing devil's advocate if you know what I mean. Not once in our conversation are you willing to even consider a town!Icon here. Or I'm missing it completely.

Iconeum · Post Post #1062 (ISO) » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:04 am

In post 1058, Datisi wrote:Holy hell I'm trying to read you. If that's how you react to a legitimate question then fucking hell.

My reaction wasn't to that question, it was to what I just quoted.

Datisi · Post Post #1063 (ISO) » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:05 am

If I wasn't consindering town!Icon here, we wouldn't have even been having this conversation.

Iconeum · Post Post #1064 (ISO) » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:06 am

In post 1063, Datisi wrote:If I wasn't consindering town!Icon here, we wouldn't have even been having this conversation.

I really hope we are both town and look back at this post-game and go all like 'we did it again'

Iconeum · Post Post #1065 (ISO) » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:07 am

Wanna talk about my Ali case?

Datisi · Post Post #1066 (ISO) » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:20 am

In post 1064, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1063, Datisi wrote:If I wasn't consindering town!Icon here, we wouldn't have even been having this conversation.
I really hope we are both town and look back at this post-game and go all like 'we did it again'

Hey, you were my biggest TR in 1945!

In post 1065, Iconeum wrote:Wanna talk about my Ali case?

You mean 1032?
To be honest, going through that post, reading Ali's comments and then reading back to Luca's posts, it's just reminded me why I thought he was scum in the first place. His posts still feel fabricated and manipulative in a way that you "want" to agree with them.
I still don't see scum!Ali's motivation here.

Btw, you said that scum!Icon would just NK Ali instead of going against them during the day. What would scum!Icon do if Town!Ali was attacking scum!Luca?

Iconeum · Post Post #1067 (ISO) » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:22 am

In post 1066, Datisi wrote:Btw, you said that scum!Icon would just NK Ali instead of going against them during the day. What would scum!Icon do if Town!Ali was attacking scum!Luca?

Hard push the already existing counterwagon (Datisi) and try to get that through before more damage to Luca can be done

then attempt to NK Alisae and take control of the gamestate so Luca is maybe saved D2

Iconeum · Post Post #1068 (ISO) » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:23 am

In post 1066, Datisi wrote:To be honest, going through that post, reading Ali's comments and then reading back to Luca's posts, it's just reminded me why I thought he was scum in the first place. His posts still feel fabricated and manipulative in a way that you "want" to agree with them.I still don't see scum!Ali's motivation here.

Ok if that's your actual point of view on Luca that's fine. You also like Ali's progression towards scumreading Luca?

Datisi · Post Post #1069 (ISO) » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:29 am

In post 1067, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1066, Datisi wrote:Btw, you said that scum!Icon would just NK Ali instead of going against them during the day. What would scum!Icon do if Town!Ali was attacking scum!Luca?
Hard push the already existing counterwagon (Datisi) and try to get that through before more damage to Luca can be done

then attempt to NK Alisae and take control of the gamestate so Luca is maybe saved D2

Hnnnnng I'm getting a Townlean on you. With the amount of players in my Town pile there's probably at least one scum there. Oh how I hate this feeling.

In post 1068, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1066, Datisi wrote:To be honest, going through that post, reading Ali's comments and then reading back to Luca's posts, it's just reminded me why I thought he was scum in the first place. His posts still feel fabricated and manipulative in a way that you "want" to agree with them.I still don't see scum!Ali's motivation here.
Ok if that's your actual point of view on Luca that's fine. You also like Ali's progression towards scumreading Luca?

Yes, I don't see anything wrong with it. 565 felt like a jokey post that I didn't take seriously. If they saw the same thing within Luca's posts that I did, I don't see any issues.

I admit it's still theoretically possible this is scum!Ali pocketing, but right now I don't think that's the case.

Iconeum · Post Post #1070 (ISO) » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:31 am

In post 1069, Datisi wrote:I admit it's still theoretically possible this is scum!Ali pocketing, but right now I don't think that's the case.

Have you read/skimmed that longest newbie game?

Datisi · Post Post #1071 (ISO) » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:32 am

In post 1070, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1069, Datisi wrote:I admit it's still theoretically possible this is scum!Ali pocketing, but right now I don't think that's the case.
Have you read/skimmed that longest newbie game?

Dear god, no.

Iconeum · Post Post #1072 (ISO) » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:35 am

I was town, being HARD pushed by Formerfish. One player jumped in and started defending me equally hard without really touching on what the others thought made me scum.

Turns out the one being pushed and the one pushing were town sorting, and the one defending for shaky reasons was scum. I'm feeling a lot of similarities here so I think it's a possibility.

Datisi · Post Post #1073 (ISO) » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:41 am

Hm, I'm not saying it's impossible. But I'm not convinced.

Alisae · Post Post #1074 (ISO) » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:42 am

In post 1028, Klick wrote:I want to look into Alisae's meta next chance I get, because multiple people have said this is her town game and I want to confirm that for myself before accepting it as fact. Could those who have made that claim go into more detail about the differences between this game and Alisae's scum game?

This isn’t really something I can change due to
A. Perfectionism
B. Insecurities
C. Depression
But more often when I’m scum, I panic more easily and I try to make the game less fun by telling everyone that they suck. When I’m fucked, I have a REALLY hard time hiding it.
I also have way less fun when I play scum and I don’t like it, but my scumrange is pretty far if I want to put the effort in.
I don’t think I’ve been able to fool A50 yet. I remember more games when I was scum and he was town and he was always on my ass, but I hardly ever really remember him being on my ass when we’re both town.

When I’m not fucked tho, I can get to late game easily, I just really have a hard time actually winning in late game, especially when I’m by myself.

I’m not going to link you games, I believe that you can manipulate meta just by the games you provide alone, so you’re going to have to do look through that yourself