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[Luca Blight]

I’ve already said I have a townread on A50 - that’s the reason I stopped considering your Lynch for today, because I feel like he’s being genuine in his view.

[Alisae]

Luca's recent posting is actually something that doesn't make me scream "kill it"
its like not bad and I can see myself being wrong there

[Alisae]

Okay, fine, but your posts can also be taken as "Datisi's lynch, whatever she flips, would provide us lots of information. I won't state that information now. But it definitely would. Also she's already claimed so lynch her please."

I’ve already stated that standard D1 play would be to Lynch you here. I also just said I now think you might be Town, so that is a very strange way to take that post.

Is it really? Because judging by your view of standard play and that fact you're still voting me, it doesn't seem like you're that opposed to my lynch.

given how major your wagon was, your flip regardless of what it is will have an impact on the game.
A town flip makes me want to kill Luca more
a scumflip makes me re-evaluate practically everything but from Luca's POV, wanting to lynch me as soon as you flip scum isn't unreasonable

I wasn't saying he was wrong. I just wanted to hear him say what info would he take away from that.

okay but I don't see anything wrong with his answer?
He probably just sees you as a flip that gives a lot of information (And I agree with this) but hasn't exactly worked out what the takeaway would be and would probably want to sit down and try to figure it out. He probably just hasn't figured that out yet.

[Tchill13]

Oh, I thought you were talking about me SR Icon.

When did I push Billy? I've been consistently TRing him this game.

It WAS icon. Not Billy. Apologies for another name slip up.

[Luca Blight]

@Datiti - the fact I’m still voting you is because I haven’t found a better place to put it. It’s not like you’re in imminent danger or anything, and unvoting for the sake of it has never been something I’ve done, but if it makes you feel better:

UNVOTE:

On second thoughts, there might be a better place for it.

VOTE: Flippy

[Alisae]

the only thing that bothers me about flippynips is that I'm the only one that was kinda really speaking out against it except not really?

[Datisi]

Mhm, I'm starting to reconsider it too. Especially since I've noticed something that is either 9000 IQ scum!Luca play or genuine Town. Or maybe I'm just being an idiot.

I'm trying to think who would leave the Town in the best shape going into D2. Not sure though.

pedit:
@Ali - fair enough, I just thought it was odd.
@Luca - I'm not afraid of getting quickhammered, I'm just on the lookout of your actions not matching your words.

[Alisae]

like Flippynips just seems really consensus and I'm not sure I'm too happy about that

[Alisae]

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
I'ma need Luca to give me something nuanced when it comes to the other slots for me to be okay unvoting him

[Tchill13]

@luca

Why has your datisi read disappeared? Why Are you needing a better place to put it and why are you becoming paranoid about me?

@alisae

You never "returned serve" on my explanations for town Luca.

[Tchill13]

like Flippynips just seems really consensus and I'm not sure I'm too happy about that

The lynch should still be datisi.

What has flippynips done to change that?

[Tchill13]

@alisae

What have the "other" done correctly early game? Because you said I was "just wrong" In your early reads of players.

I'd specifically like to know what datisi/Icon/Billy were doing correctly.

[Tchill13]

Luca's recent posting is actually something that doesn't make me scream "kill it"
its like not bad and I can see myself being wrong there

Your stance on Luca changes as soon as luca takes a vote off datisi and puts it somewhere else.

[Tchill13]

Too many vote changes/weird push then vote WITH moments centered around datisi.

She needs to go.

[Alisae]

@luca

Why has your datisi read disappeared? Why Are you needing a better place to put it and why are you becoming paranoid about me?

@alisae

You never "returned serve" on my explanations for town Luca.

omg ur right I thought I asked you to expand what you liked from him but turns out i didn't
what was Luca's posting that you liked?

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like Flippynips just seems really consensus and I'm not sure I'm too happy about that

The lynch should still be datisi.

What has flippynips done to change that?

uuuuuuuuuh
Datisi played more of the game and flippynips is kind of just there not really doing much?

[Luca Blight]

@luca

Why has your datisi read disappeared? Why Are you needing a better place to put it and why are you becoming paranoid about me?

@alisae

You never "returned serve" on my explanations for town Luca.

It’s just a feeling I’m getting; it’s actually been building for a while now but the gamestate felt so rigid that I was perhaps reluctant to listen to it. I will try and explain it when I have time.

I haven’t read too deeply the recent pages, but something Icon said about you townreading me yet not really defending me planted the thought in my mind. Also the fact you’ve been so quiet recently ( along with a few others). Activity is obviously NAI because there could be any number of reasons for it, but I can’t help but feel paranoid when certain players go missing during important stages in the game. Flippy in particular has completely stepped out of the firing line. I also jus get the sense that you’re a really good player and someone who could have me fooled. I haven’t ISO’d you yet but these are just my views as of this very moment.

[Luca Blight]

The first paragraph was regarding Datisi, in case that wasn’t clear.

[Tchill13]

@Tchill

The interaction between datisi and icon has left a terrible taste in my mouth with both of them.

If we lynch Luca and he flips town I will be extremely annoyed... Plus the idea that datisi AND iconeum will probably both still be in play at the beginning of D2 isn't a pleasant one to me. If one or both are town they've already proven they don't care voting with players they just believed were scum. That type makes for great scum TOOLS imo.

Thats cool.
I'm probably going to re-evaluate Datisi if Luca flips town.
Luca's vote and the speed of the actual wagon kind of just was too much for me

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Lucas's early game was way better than anyone else's from my perspective.

talk to me about it?
When I read the game I found that Luca didn't really do anything significant or substantial like at all

I subscribe to the school of thought that you don't have to have the game figured out early. Sometimes you just let it come to you. It's very difficult to disrupt the flow of RVS and out of comparison alone like I mentioned Luca was the only player that didn't make me... Alarmed so to speak.

Now I'm not one to try and catch scum D1 based off gut or feeling. That maybe a confidence issue or it maybe that observing the entire play list, weighing the pros and cons in terms of level headedness, ability to be manipulated by scum, who I would want in lylo if I were scum in a given game... Works better for me in the early game.

Icon and datisi are players if be trying to get to lylo if I were scum here.

I don't see how you can debate in a hypothetical where icon, Datisi, and Luca were all town.

Luca would be the most destructive to scum throughout an entire game.

There's also actual scum motivation in voting WITH someone who just pressured you to get a lynch through as datisi voted WITH icon to get at the time an inactive slots lynched push through.

I want to point out that, the desire to be right is important. You don't HAVE to be right, actually being right isn't important as long as you WANT to be right.
Also it feels good to be right.
So when you're saying that you don't really want to worry making sure your D1 solve is ACTUALLY right, thats fine as long as you are showing that you want to be right.
Again, you don't have to BE right, just want to be right.

Lucas's early game was way better than anyone else's from my perspective.

talk to me about it?
When I read the game I found that Luca didn't really do anything significant or substantial like at all

What was substantially GOOD about the other players?

So far I've seen icon and datisi vote every which way a wagon was.

I actually didn't really read Icon's posts early. I figured if he was scum, he would be at his best then, and if he's town, we'll he's going to be at his best anyways, so I don't think I would have gotten anything out of his earlier posts, but a lot more out of his later posts and his interaction with Datisi.
I think Klick's early game is really good. I definitely feel like he was solving and I was able to see that every step of the way. I'm still seeing this desire to try to figure out people's motivations with his recent posting.
Billy just comes across as really town to me. He just, does.
Flippy is also someone who had an early game that I find it hard to actually focus on. But I think his response to the Kop wagon is good enough? I will say, it definitely leaves more to be desired.
When it comes to A50, I'm sold on him not really knowing what to do, I can see it happening completely, and I don't think that he would be like this if he was scum? I don't see why he would be, there's so much going on its easy to take any side, and I can see him being lost with a bunch of townreads and not really knowing where to go with them.
Datisi I'll agree with there, kinda does come across as how you're describing her, but I really don't think thats scum indicative. I feel like in her hunting and how she's reaching those answers come from a place where she wants to try and figure out motivations and also work with people she trusts. I can see why you think she's voting every which way, but I don't think thats scum indicative here.

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And if you say "they're intentions were in the right place" that's not gonna hold up.

I noticed you said I was "just wrong" but not manipulative in your early read of me. That's fine I have no pride about my early game. I'd like to know where the others (not me or Luca) were particularly correct though.

I refered to you as "just wrong" because one thing you were saying about Datisi was that she was "pushing" kop and I really don't see how her vote was like a push and more like "I am going to work with Iconeum here"

anyhow I kind of hope that this helps?

So 2 ppl are "just town" due to meta or gut (Billy and flippy) ... You didn't even read icon. Klick was "putting effort in the right place". A50 is town because of a lack of stances? Datisi is town because of WHY she's trying to solve things?

Didn't alarm you at all datisi and icon voted together after pushing each other? That wasn't odd at all?

[Alisae]

@alisae

What have the "other" done correctly early game? Because you said I was "just wrong" In your early reads of players.

I'd specifically like to know what datisi/Icon/Billy were doing correctly.

icon didn't read
Datisi was trying to figure out the game
Billy just seemed to be really town

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Luca's recent posting is actually something that doesn't make me scream "kill it"
its like not bad and I can see myself being wrong there

Your stance on Luca changes as soon as luca takes a vote off datisi and puts it somewhere else.

I suggested flippynips and then Luca takes his vote off???????????
see, I said you're wrong because your mindset here is votes not what people are saying

[Alisae]

So 2 ppl are "just town" due to meta or gut (Billy and flippy) ... You didn't even read icon. Klick was "putting effort in the right place". A50 is town because of a lack of stances? Datisi is town because of WHY she's trying to solve things?

Didn't alarm you at all datisi and icon voted together after pushing each other? That wasn't odd at all?

no meta on Billy or Flippy
I didn't read Icon because I thought he would get progressively easier to read the deeper into the game we were
A50 Townreads everyone in a way that I find believable

[Tchill13]

@luca

Why has your datisi read disappeared? Why Are you needing a better place to put it and why are you becoming paranoid about me?

@alisae

You never "returned serve" on my explanations for town Luca.

It’s just a feeling I’m getting; it’s actually been building for a while now but the gamestate felt so rigid that I was perhaps reluctant to listen to it. I will try and explain it when I have time.

I haven’t read too deeply the recent pages, but something Icon said about you townreading me yet not really defending me planted the thought in my mind. Also the fact you’ve been so quiet recently ( along with a few others). Activity is obviously NAI because there could be any number of reasons for it, but I can’t help but feel paranoid when certain players go missing during important stages in the game. Flippy in particular has completely stepped out of the firing line. I also jus get the sense that you’re a really good player and someone who could have me fooled. I haven’t ISO’d you yet but these are just my views as of this very moment.

I've been quite because of a stomach bug that wouldn't allow me to sit up straight lol.

You actually pocketed me as scum last time we played together. To the extent that I still remember your name after a year lol.

I don't really have to defend you, but I have. Pointing out your levelheadedness and the fact you're the only one that's not doing anything rash. You've been consistent in your reads.

From the 1v1 I did with flippy I feel pretty good about that slot. I couldn't discern "scum motivation" from "bad town play" in all his interactions with me which leaves me to believe he's town.

You could argue the truce is scum motivated but town actually WANT to stay alive also.

Not sure how a townie immediately votes with someone they believe to be scum to try and push through an inactive slot though... Aka datisi.

[Tchill13]

So 2 ppl are "just town" due to meta or gut (Billy and flippy) ... You didn't even read icon. Klick was "putting effort in the right place". A50 is town because of a lack of stances? Datisi is town because of WHY she's trying to solve things?

Didn't alarm you at all datisi and icon voted together after pushing each other? That wasn't odd at all?

no meta on Billy or Flippy
I didn't read Icon because I thought he would get progressively easier to read the deeper into the game we were
A50 Townreads everyone in a way that I find believable

I'm not OK with Billy or flippy getting a clear from you due to gut and no reasoning you can build a foundation on.

Not reading icon at all is fun. He's part of the reason I'm pushing datisi so hard. At least read with the intent to know what's going on. Not necessarily the same effort to SOLVE but you get my point.

A50 I have to catch up on. He didn't get active until I got sick.

[Alisae]

Didn't alarm you at all datisi and icon voted together after pushing each other? That wasn't odd at all?

@peanut gallery, specificly Klick
Does this bother you at all?
I'm not sure if I'm overeacting but the insistance of pushing this is
bothering me?

I'm not sure what to think of it because I feel like this is something scum pushes but I could definitely see this being posted by town!tchill

[Tchill13]

@alisae

What have the "other" done correctly early game? Because you said I was "just wrong" In your early reads of players.

I'd specifically like to know what datisi/Icon/Billy were doing correctly.

icon didn't read
Datisi was trying to figure out the game
Billy just seemed to be really town

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Luca's recent posting is actually something that doesn't make me scream "kill it"
its like not bad and I can see myself being wrong there

Your stance on Luca changes as soon as luca takes a vote off datisi and puts it somewhere else.

I suggested flippynips and then Luca takes his vote off???????????
see, I said you're wrong because your mindset here is votes not what people are saying

That's interesting. The votes and saying part. Voting is the only action ppl have rn. So in inclined to give voting the most respect of any content I see.

People can say whatever they want. Actions speak louder than words. I'll check up on the Luca unvote though.

[Alisae]

i'm probably overthinking that