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[Tchill13]

Tchill and Luca

2 players who are the scumteam

only names

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Klick/A50

Luca/A50

Datisi/???

Klick/LUV




Luca/A50

Tchill you don't see a possibility of Klick/Luca?

klick/luca should be underneath datisi/???

which is why im willing to lynch datisi and if she were to flip town would open the door to klick/luca lynch.

[Iconeum]

i said she waits for interactions to happen or her name has been brought up then she comes in and comments. she's done it consistently.

this was pretty much what I was pressuring Datisi over until a certain someone stepped in

[Iconeum]

yeahhh i'm not lynching Tchill today

[Tchill13]

pretty sure he came to conclusion due to PoE and TR's he believed he had weakest reasons for. Luca being the weakest.

he was adamant about not pushing luca scum though.

[Datisi]

Icon you acknowledged 2074 yeah?

[Tchill13]

UNVOTE:

welll... FUCK WORKING WITH LUCA... in that case.

i've tried so many damn times. im done. im just done.

[Iconeum]

You're at least Townleaning everyone except for me. Which I assume means you're at least somewhat confident in me being scum. But when asked who my partner is, you keep repeating that you don't know, because you're Townleaning everyone else.

My point is, if you're at least somewhat sure I flip Red today, I think it's odd you're not looking for associates.

Beyond the surface-level 'would this scumteam kill Alisae last night' stuff, no, I haven't been looking much at pre-flip associatives. I did skim the double-ISO of you and Luca a bit as part of Tchill's game, but nothing really stood out to me one way or another.

He doesn't come to that conclusion due to associations.

this is not a scumread or a teamread of Datisi/Luca either
I don't know what this is

[Datisi]

Exactly, that's why I'm saying he doesn't come to Datisi/Luca due to associates

[Luca Blight]

Tchill, take a chill pill.

At some point we have to trust our reads, and I’ve already said I’m willing to bet the game that Icon, Klick and Uzi are Town. I’m not entertaining the idea of them being scum in your hypotheticals because I don’t believe they are, and I don’t trust that your motives are genuine. You are my biggest gut read at the moment, but I will maintain it could be any two of Tchill/Datisi/Gobble. I’m done debating hypothetical scumteams - let’s get one scum nailed first and we can reassess from there.

Traveling atm so will be back in a few hours.

[Datisi]

So Klick thinks it's Luca with Datisi, but Luca has been playing townie so it's because of Association. I don't understand how town!Klick comes to that conclusion

Which the point is I don't think it's Town!Klick

[Datisi]

These two posts were made back to back. Luca agrees to lynch either A50 or LUV.

Spoiler:

Icon and Klick are near enough conf-Town for me; I’m not considering their lynches for the foreseeable future.

Today we must Lynch either A50 or Uzi - not only is there a high chance at least one of them is scum, but the thought of them both being alive during a LYLO situation is hard to bear.

A50 clearly has no intent to participate in the future, nor will he replace-out, so I’m struggling to see what alternative we have but to Lynch him here.

Uzi is at least continuing to produce some content, although it is minimal.

Feels like flipping a coin, but I ultimately think A50 has to go.

VOTE: Almost50

This was the only part where LUV was discussed between Luca's previous and next posts.

Spoiler:

Honestly team is probs luca/luv

This was the last post in which Alisae gave reads. Does it make you rethink your LUV read?

If A50 (or his slot ) end up being lynched today, and he flips Town, who are your next suspects? Datisi/Luca?

...a tiny bit, actually. I hadn't seen that.
My main reason for townreading LUV is Billy's play and I struggle to see myself changing my mind on that. But with that post in mind LUV seems to at least have motive to kill Alisae.

I'd almost certainly reevaluate tomorrow in that situation, but yes, that's probably where I'd initially lean.

And then came this. For absolutely no reason LUV is suddenly Town, and Luca's willing to lynch me.

Spoiler:

Looking back, I'm not feeling Uzi as scum. I think Klick may be right regarding Billy.

Still not sure what to make of the A50 slot.

I would be willing to lynch Datisi today.

[Tchill13]

gun to my head and i had to nail scum or be shot:

A50: (klick and luca are protecting this slot hard. When i mention that both act like im exaggerating. He claimed a n3 action which has the possibility of being a useless PR altogether. Only giving town ONE sure fire PR. The claim stinks. A50 himself was very apathetic. Refused to help town)

Datisi: (tends to come in behind the action. Never generates actions. Only reacts. Her game is scummy as a whole, nothing in p[articular. Ali claiming she should be shot then lightly claiming protective rids this slot of any town vibes she'd get from the Ali NK)

this is where it gets most difficult.

LUV: (ppl want to clear him because of biily. The reasoning is weak and its shit. His catch ups are a bunch of word salad. As scum he has no need to change play with 2 of the possible 6 players hard TR'ing him. Gobble hasn't even read. So really at this time only 3 ppl would vote here. Not a threat to him.)

Klick: (I think Klick could have a great scum game going here. Pockets Icon by never pushing that claim. carries him to lylo where his claim will cause second guesses. Carries 2 inactive slots with him... There's scum agenda there. He also not only refused to push Luca but he wouldn't even push me. He had no guess for a teammate. This very well could be because he was afraid of forming associations. He's willing to risk a mislynch that would lead to lylo when he has NO IDEA who is possibly the scum candidates partner. As thorough as he's been here that is wildly reckless imo. "not lynching A50 or LUV is the correct play if they're both town" Nobody can make a great lean on either player provided lack of content, real time interaction or seeing how they react to things as it unfolds. Klick is aware of this when making that statement.)

Luca: (this guy... This fucking guy... Im torn on but its mostly because he keeps fighting me. I Town read him because he used poe to get to a flippy scum read. I was also in the bottom. He then uses pre confirmation bias to group me and flippy together as scum. So im actually scum read here beacuse im CORRECT about town flippy. Yes it looked odd in the moment. I've explained why flippy was obv town to me. Anyway that progression seems towny to me. I feel scum would be worried of implicating themselves by pushing a team when they didnt have to. He then opens d2 slightly TR'ing me. Then slowly progresses to a datisi/tchill scum team. This one has no associations compared to the tchill/flippy scum team. I provide a "thought experiment" he refuses to entertain. He then votes me after I finally extend the olive branch and vote datisi. This guy has had so many chanes to make me hard TR him and has refused them all. This dude is just lost town imo)

Icon: (oh what is it? how does it go? "scum dont claim cop day 1")

[Iconeum]

I've been unexpectedly stuck at my in-laws for 8 days and am getting the weekend as a break before going back there for an even longer amount of time. This weekend should be good for my activity. Here in a bit ill give this game a solid half-hour.

Heres where my head is currently at:

TOWN
Klick
LUV, Tchill
--- do not lynch above this line ---
Datisi
A50, Luca


Icon
SCUM

this is a difficult lynch

[Iconeum]

and again with the random mass quote that didn't get deleted for some odd reason.

[Tchill13]

A50 has popped up as top tier lynch in mine, luca and klicks progressions.

Datisi has popped up in our lynch pools as well. not top tier though, as you can see klicks reads.

[Iconeum]

you know what?

my most certain scumread at this point is the A50 slot

[Iconeum]

hmmm

[Tchill13]

Now does he get a TR just because he's the only other pr?

He claimed one that by setup design might not even get to work. There's a chance he's just as strong as a vt here. That had to be taken into account.

[Tchill13]

Did datisi ever take a stance on A50?

[Luca Blight]

How am I protecting the A50 slot?

At this point I’d probably be willing to Lynch there today as well.

You’re probably right that I’m a bit lost, Tchill. I tend to tie myself up in knots at this stage of the game when I’m Town. I will accept your olive branch and consider things again.

UNVOTE:

[Datisi]

Yeah. Was voting for him earlier, based on the fact that he's done fuck all to even try to be Townread. Unvoted him when Klick started pushing me, since I thought that was pingy as hell.

[Iconeum]

Now does he get a TR just because he's the only other pr?

Yeah… well. I'm not very fond of jumping on the one other claimed PR without discussing this

A N3 bodyguard is possible, but I don't see how this setup is balanced around me and that role?

If I base my read on play, A50/gobble is scum

[Tchill13]

Nothing personal. I'm just pissed that every time I try to take the game in some sort of direction it stagnates.

I really have solid reason to TR you. Hopefully something different comes out of your reassessments.

Please primarily focus on klick/luv. That's where I'm having most of my issues.

[Tchill13]

Yeah. Was voting for him earlier, based on the fact that he's done fuck all to even try to be Townread. Unvoted him when Klick started pushing me, since I thought that was pingy as hell.

Well that's interesting.

I think A50 could be scum with.

Klick
LUV
Datisi

In that order.

[Tchill13]

Once again... If someone lied about VT please bring that to light...