Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[chennisden]

FL, I suggest you listen to these people

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I prefer the "scum don't defend scum" wine most of the time, and Fishmonger's defense of Marquis squarely falls in most of the time.

When your scum partner is unkillable and uninvestigatable , and you do not expect to be lynched soon, and you do not foresee a Vig shot, you do all you can to keep your strongest asset alive though.

Oh, and before I forget again: @PP: can you please tell us who Kagami was supposed to investigate on N2? Just setting the records straight. Please and thank you

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Can I ask why Kagz is dead?

When he was a little scummy and a caffeinated one shot who had already fired?

I know NKA usually doesn't get you many place but.. this one seems kinda loaded...?

Read my first post of the day. It was a Vig shot. A bad one, but the source was Town IMHO

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Unless of course we do have a Serial Killer, who had decided to act as a Town Vig for the time being

[popsofctown]

Can I ask why Kagz is dead?

When he was a little scummy and a caffeinated one shot who had already fired?

I know NKA usually doesn't get you many place but.. this one seems kinda loaded...?

Read my first post of the day. It was a Vig shot. A bad one, but the source was Town IMHO

I read that post I just found it implausible.

Whiteknighting at L-1 because the victim has high power is sure. Whiteknighting at L-jillion creates a higher overall risk, since if you die, then that player is lynched for associatives, you did more harm than good.

pedit: FakeGod confirmed the game to be 100% singleball in the PM he discussed the caffiene mechanic iirc

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Flavor Leaf softed 1-shot and hardclaimed "killed Fishmonger" in our neighborhood and was never cc'ed.

And you bloody believed him on the 1-shot thing? Flavour Leaf would very much want to live to get his 3-shots (!!) through, so claiming 1-shit after he had already fired once is the logical thing to come from him, as it would be too late to stop him when you find out he shot for the second time. Scum are very unlikely to have a RB anyway, because they let him shoot Monger on N1.

FL is cleared on so many levels (again, unless he is a SK.. solo scum. Then again, even if he is I still want him around for the time being)

P-edit: I have a very short memory so I didn't remember that. I thought I read it somewhere but when I checked the OP I didn't find it, and I assumed I confused this with another game. Thanks for the reminder.

That means FL is definitely Town here.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

If he shot Kagami, I suggested that I wanted to Friendly Neighbor Kagami

I think Kagami's "dies when targeted" tinfoil hat theory was true, it matches the "sickly" adjective in the flavor.

*Looks at first quote.. then at the second* Sure! Flavor Leaf does look bad for deciding to visit someone "she herself" thought would die if visited.

[popsofctown]

YO GUYS i was browsing PTs for a notes PT in one of my games and I noticed Pine's neighborhood is visible.

Exactly like Pine said it would be.

Probably worth reading for everyone.

[popsofctown]

If he shot Kagami, I suggested that I wanted to Friendly Neighbor Kagami

I think Kagami's "dies when targeted" tinfoil hat theory was true, it matches the "sickly" adjective in the flavor.

*Looks at first quote.. then at the second* Sure! Flavor Leaf does look bad for deciding to visit someone "she herself" thought would die if visited.

I don't understand this post

Friendly Neighboring Kagami is safe, he is not a bat
Doing anything to pine is not safe

I think a Mafia Fruit Vendor killed Pine and the factonal nightkill killed Kagami.

But then there is still some equity in Mafia factional nightkill killed pine and Scum (Caffienated only?) Vigilante Flavor Leaf shot Kagami because my chat last night in my neighborhood PT means a protown Flavor Leaf with the power to kill people doesn't kill Kagami whether 1-shot or 2-shot

[popsofctown]

i posted this before reading the batcave they might totally kill my theory in there

[chennisden]

Spoiler - they do. Pine is ninja tracker.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

So I softed FN receipt

Quiz time:

Which is scummier?

Shooting someone who could have been lynched (Kagami) or faking an inno on someone who would also be lynched without it?? Hmmmm.

FTR, I also TR your slot, pops. I did a reread (actually re-skim) of the whole game during the night and dumped my thoughts to my friends in the thread. I just want you to set your emotions aside and think with your brain. Just because you dislike FL's ways doesn't make him scum. If I wanted to lynch someone I didn't like in this game it would definitely be Bingle (who had practically harassed me all game), but I'm not. I think Marquis is scum here, and then there may be one or two others.

Even him changing his read on me doesn't help as I have clearly stated scum won't want to lynch me because I am caffeinated. Did you even consider that one? There are exactly 4 slots still in my lynch pool. I won't support a lynch on anyone other than those 4. The Kagami flip (right after chandra's lynch) boosted my confidence, and I'm willing to fight for what I believe is right.

[popsofctown]

I didn't hardclaim an innocent and when my neighborhood flipped it'd be visible why I had posted the way I did

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Exactly like Pine said it would be.

Or as the MOD said it would be? Did you check the setup spoiler in OP?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Friendly Neighboring Kagami is safe, he is not a bat
Doing anything to pine is not safe

Where did Oine come from? You were talking about Kagami in both posts. Maybe you meant Pine??

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Spoiler - they do. Pine is ninja tracker.

He did claim that in THIS thread on D2. Iirc, he said something like "I didn't claim Tracker for symmetry .." I seem to remember something of the sort

[popsofctown]

If FL shot Pine his read are terrible or he's scum, his reads can't be that terrible

if FL shot Kagami his reads aren't terrible but he's scum because he shot my FN target when he could have shot Literally Anyone Else

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

OK, so it's confirmed Pine STILL has no clue about my play and would SR me regardless.
He saw the poll but didn't see the explanation nor did he see the chandra scum slip it seems. "Blind as a bat" comes to mind and it actually is funny in my head.
As for kuribo, I don't blame him. Old school who has limited experience with me.

[popsofctown]

JJD if you're town you really need to spend less time thinking/caring about your own slot

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

If FL shot Pine his read are terrible or he's scum, his reads can't be that terrible

if FL shot Kagami his reads aren't terrible but he's scum because he shot my FN target when he could have shot Literally Anyone Else

If you take a look in my Neighborhood (post-game, most likely) you will see that at least 2 people would have shot Kagami regardless. If the cops told me they were investigating ofrhz on N1 I still would have targeted her anyway. Have you ever been a Vig? The POWER you have can hardly be contained, and you shoot whomever you think is scum or unreadable, and if you get your first shot right you are more confident in the second one.

STOP THINKING ABOUT YOURSELF. FL did what HE believed was the right play, You do not have to agree, but you need to consider who the OTHER suspects are and how likely they are scum.

Oh, and there's no such thing as "lynch only by play". That only works in mountainous. If the game has PRs then it should be considered for the balance, i.e. mechanically solved. Period.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

JJD if you're town you really need to spend less time thinking/caring about your own slot

I really don't (think/care about my own slot). Not anymore. I already managed to lynch scum, and I am on offer for either the lynch or the NK. What I do care about is getting another scumster lynched before I am killed.

[Bingle]

Marquis is town or will be hard guiltied today. He's a friendly neighbor variant who notifies anyone who joins our hood. We are in fact notified when someone joins the hood. I'm fairly certain there is 1 scum in the cops and one scum in the BP/Doc hoods balance wise. The scum in the cops is probably the sane cop.

Flavor and pops are both town by setup in my eyes.

VOTE: JJD Proving one more day of not voting normally, then unvoting.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

The scum Cop already flopped, Bingle. What are you smoking nowadays? chandra was the Paranoid Cop.
Now there has to be one scum in your hood or this game is totally unbalanced. Yes.. because the scum was precisely the PARANOID Cop.. not the Sane nor the Insane ones. There may or may not be scum in our hood, I won't argue about that yet.

If someone claims to have received the FN message from Marquis I'm going to push for their lynch (the claimer) to verify the claim. If they flip town then Marquis is confirmed AND is unkillable, so he becomes an official IC.

Just thought I'd say that, so scum won't try to be smart and confirm their buddy for another day or two.

[popsofctown]

Marquis is town or will be hard guiltied today. He's a friendly neighbor variant who notifies anyone who joins our hood. We are in fact notified when someone joins the hood. I'm fairly certain there is 1 scum in the cops and one scum in the BP/Doc hoods balance wise. The scum in the cops is probably the sane cop.

Flavor and pops are both town by setup in my eyes.

VOTE: JJD Proving one more day of not voting normally, then unvoting.

So you're implying someone joined your hood last night?

[Bingle]

The scum Cop already flopped, Bingle. What are you smoking nowadays? chandra was the Paranoid Cop.

Yes. Town has 3 full cops that can't be silenced by NK because they can post results the night after in a PT that becomes public if everyone in it dies in a game with at least two of the scum outside of the 6 players who can't be targeted by a cop. Also, Town has at least 2 vigs and possibly a third, one shot vig.

The miller hood was likely intended as a vig magnet, meaning they're probably all town. The Sane cop is probably scum, but we don't lynch there until we find the partner.