Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[skitter30]

I feel pretty sure it's skitter.

If emps is scum then he played his own meta so well that town!skitter strongly believed in an emps metacase.

You guys have pretty good odds with your lynch if that's the shot you take.

i feel pretty sure it's not me, and yes, i think that emps's play this game is p different than his play in that newbie, and i think that teacher's unsurvivalism/repeatedly encouraging his own lynch is p townie so

[skitter30]

VOTE: pops

[popsofctown]

hot take

If you hadn't made day 2 into a cussing match between you and Menalque

This game might have stayed enjoyable enough that ms.net stayed in Sushi Cat's bookmarks and you wouldn't be in this stall right now.

this is kinda :/

i don't think the teacher/menalque thing has much to do with sushi flaking; i think it's p obvious that they flaked, and it's a little icky to blame that at teacher's feet, i think

Maybe
I might have been out of line, sorry.

[popsofctown]

I'm pretty sure the self-hammer here is suboptimal

But I want to warm all your hearts with the knowledge that I thought critically about it. And I'm not positive.


I don't know that I have anything to add and if all my arguments sound terrible, maybe I'm only damaging the LyLo sort.

Maybe I'll review Selynee for the 1% hidden knife collection

[popsofctown]

I'm sorry again to teacher, no qualifiers

[popsofctown]

Have yet to turn up a knife collection

[emps]

idk gut tells me to vote skitter

[emps]

I am strongly assuming EC ignored his scum PT no matter his partner

then again this feels kinda tmi

[popsofctown]

I am here to drop the infos

teacher told me this slot is unsalvageable and I believe him

deadsheeping is rare and circumstantially it will be even rarer since you and selynee have no experience with me and skitter has 1 negative experience with me and teacher has no experience with me but is probably educated and can detect my 2.9 GPA

I cannot write the secret formula to this game of what the last lynch should be and expect you to follow it. Instead I need to bring you all the different colors of fingerpaints possibly available to work with so that you all somehow get it right in the THUNDERDOME

so I am going to be very information and one of those things is this tangential point that I have a "I should check the scum PT after posting not before" read on Epic Creeper and I feel like you should look through, come to the same conclusion, and townbin/scumbin people based on that

[popsofctown]

I mean I am probably not going to be very information very long, not even long enough to correct spelling or grammatical errors when i can repeat them

[popsofctown]

This has been how I felt about this game throughout the duration:

Spoiler: OOOO

You guys have been sweet crumbly fun though and I'd queue with any of you again.

[popsofctown]

If I'm supposed to be townreading emps skitter is the only slot that seems voteworthy to me. It was in my first and second posts. Her stances throughout the game haven't been great. And she has been keeping her options open a lot today, more so than teacher (so has emps, but emps is an angel or whatever so okay).

a) i don't understand your read on emps rn or where you're getting the 'i'm supposed to be townreading emps' / 'emps is an angel or whatever so okay' bit from

b) disagree that i'm keeping my options open; i've been re-evaluating and trying to sort out the game

My read on emps is that at least 1 town aligned player with demonstrated mafia ability has a townread on the slot, wouldn't drop it in the light of my arguments, and has informational advantage on me, so correct play for the most part is to at a minimum not shoehorn it. It creates this situation where there's a lot of correctness for proxying someone else's opinion in place of my own. It's not satisfying and if you had to do it 100% of the time mafia would be so unfun it is unplayable.

pops i'm a little bit worried about the universe where scum!you reps in and realizes that you're pretty low in the poe pool and are trying to create a viable mislynch in emps

I'm confused about the genuineness of this thought, since mislynch teacher into emps seemed like the percentage play from scumpops's seat.

I'm not sure to what extent I should expect town!skitter to get that reconstruction. But I felt like I was pretty intentional about charting a path where I get mislynched and improve the quality of the subsequent lynch.

No. No posts all day two. If anything. I think slightly town indicative. I think emps is my preferred lynch that is not me so would love you to read that game at some point.

This is teacher's take on Sushi Cat. I'm a little unhappy with his progression on my slot. Skitter's has been more natural. We can take it to be implicit that teacher took Hectic's spazzing to be town indicative, but it's pinging that teacher never wanted to drop a sentence about why that spazz is probably 21/79 (let me be nice to my own slot here folkses) more likely to come from scum, which makes me feel like he's reducing the number of times he has to scumslip.

Skitter didn't comment on Hectic either as far as I recall but it's not as necessary for her progression to pass smooth.

So you think it’s almost certainly the very experienced players (me, skit, emps) not the ones with total lack (Selene, sushi) that lent creeper limp on like he did all game?

That’s my issue. I have a TR on sushi. I’ve accepted that I’m the mislynch for tomorrow when you will eat crow. I’m trying to help town for D4 in picking btw emps, skit, and selynee. I think I would encourage them to go seleynee. Either live with that advise or convince me why I’m wrong.

Oh this too

It's not impossible for this to do a backflip into a lava pool after Hectic's post but addressing Hectic's potential rulebreaking without a word of the alignment inferences on a moment that should totally change his lynch preferences (previously sacrificial) is a little weird and pinging)

[popsofctown]

i'm doing colors to lean in to the fingerpainting analogy

do you guys like it?

[popsofctown]

ebwop "mislynch teacher into skitter seems like the percentage play"

i think my mind liked how the other one sounded better, like auditorily, but I meant teacher into skitter

[popsofctown]

ebwop "took Hectic's spazzing to be scum indicative"

I haven't even started drinking yet I swear

[popsofctown]

skitter is africa your favorite continent?

[teacher]

Nice fingerpaint, and apologies both unnecessary and more than accepted. I did get really frustrated at Menalque repeatedly insisting on my death without providing any actual reasoning I could engage with, and let it go too far.

As for Hectic, it wasnt those posts that turned me around on your slot (though they certainly didnt help). It was more trying to pair creeper. Creeper voted your slot in RVS, which is some indication. The two slots barely interacted at all, other than the awkward full name thing I called out in creepers ISO. Its also PoE after rereading the scumchat in 1941 and realizing Emps would have been coaching ALOT more than creepers play suggests here, while Sushi may not have been sufficiently confident to. Sushi was also off her meta from 1938 for me, with alot shorter posts that revealed less reflection.

In other words, its finding Sely to be town-town, and both Emps/Skit to be less likely partners to creep than Sushi -> not reading Sushi's play, but reflecting on how the partnerships might have worked.

[teacher]

UNVOTE: Pops

Skitter -- are you assuming they flaked D3? (clearly, by your vote). Selynee's comment on that is the thing giving me the most pause about this lynch. I coudl see Sushi submitting the kills (man do I wish she had "last active" activated), but I dont get the flaking out after submitting the two kills. Like if she had the will to see that through, why flake out -- unless it was the early posts indicating she was definitely in the lynch pool.

I also tend to agree that lynching me would have been optimal scumplay from their perspective, and certainly not giving sely as hard of a townread -- certainly a case could be made that, by pushing against all lynches today, sely is staying above the fray while town fights itself out.

Im still somewhat inclined to this lynch, though also tempted your direction for the fence-sittyness earlier on Emp's positioning re: creep and me. I kinda want to see how you answer this before a lynch goes through.

[popsofctown]

I think you all underrate Sushi Martyr. She is a Sushi, but also a Martyr. Such powerful duality this world has never known. Everything is framed in terms of EC not being an excellent superbowl quarterback who must not have had a coach that knows how to make someone an excellent superbowl quarterback because the most helpful thing to winning the game is being an excellent superbowl quarterback.

I still prefer a universe where EpicCreeper makes little to no use of the scum PT that was altogether absent from chat mafia because it's the most likely and because no avi. But if I have to indulge the world where the scum PT is heavily used Sushi Cat clearly demonstrates mastery of some skills EpicCreeper is searching for, and so shouldn't work as a partner at least to the same extent as everyone else. I don't know why the player who called out NMSA so hard is being called "not confident" to an extent she would know those skills but be afraid to speak them lest someone hear her voice.



This multi-isos out of when Farkran was getting up to L-1/intent, the first time Epic Creeper had ever seen that on this format of mafia.

I think Farkran is town. His explanation of pushing people in an effort to provoke discussion matches up pretty well with his actions so far, and I like that he's standing by the things he's said and his reasons for saying them as opposed to waffling under pressure.

I need to go back and read over things in more depth, I know I was kind of lazy in terms of analyzing stuff yesterday.

That means intent to hammer, right? Personally, I'd wait a bit longer to see if discussion picks back up again.

Any tips on how to participate here? Like I feel like I missed the emps/Farkran argument mess and am just picking at bits where I can. I want to help out (or maybe I don't this argument looks scary)

Post 398 is a pretty good way to respond to a wagon going up to L-hot, regardless of alignment. Sushi stated why she was or was not against the wagon, vote or didn't vote accordingly, and then didn't stress out about whether some other involvement was somehow needed. The RL timing of post 398 would have made Sushi Cat available for comment by the time 400 and 425 come up.

So post 425 makes no sense. I think Sushi Cat is capable of some variant of, "if you just say whether you like the wagon or not, you're pretty much good, man". If Sushi Cat is held in too low esteem for that, I don't know what to tell you.
Emps tells him "just say your thoughts then you're pretty much good, man", more or less, 425 has a pretty heavy clearing effect under the "heavy PT use" universe.

The slot that's an issue for this period in "heavy PT use" universe is skitter since she was a bit afk during this shift in momentum in the game, so she wouldn't have been available for private comment in liue of public.

[popsofctown]

Skitter if you go to a teach-emps-skit LyLo and you actually are godlike at 1v1s even though you don't enjoy them at all just like how I feel about Scrabble I only win if you're town and I want you to really think about lynching emps over teacher. Meta means something I know it does but there's a logical stopping point. scum!teacher here has just accomplished so many more total things in terms of hitting hard-to-fakes across the course of the game, and with only 1 scum game played if that's not omitting another mafia site where he has a whole other family and everyone gets two Christmas presents instead of one, he shouldn't be that refined at hitting so many of those points. Rolling scum is such a different set of skills in so many ways. emps emulating his own meta counts as a hard-to-fake too, but this is a quantity argument - emps has just been to fewer places this game. His ambivalence right now is so feigned I'm not even sure I'll be able to count day 3 as having two stances. It is a little rare for someone to get into the "bus all your partners and play solo" style so early in career, but emps can be a youngling pops, he has the moxie, and Creeper's early play was such an invitation.

At least think about it.

Skitter today, pops tomorrow looked like such a more reliable way to play out this endgame for scum!teacher and he didn't do it. Emps actually would prefer this sequencing from his position, I think, and is going for it apart from feigning a moment of uncertainty.

[Selynee]

a) i don't understand your read on emps rn or where you're getting the 'i'm supposed to be townreading emps' / 'emps is an angel or whatever so okay' bit from

Eh, felt like the reason was pretty clear there though I am not a huge fan.

Emps's case- I wasn't a great fan though I guess I could see where she'd come from. I think it sort of missed Emps tended to make pretty quick reads and be somewhat hard on fallowing them. So, those posts weren't that different on how he treated the read on mena and sushi himself. Like, 814 didn't bother me in this context, though it would if it would have been made by other players.

But I doubt mafia!pops talks so much about LYLO and spends so much time on it. No interest here.

Other than that, not sure. Better ideas when my IQ miraculously increases.

[popsofctown]

19.5 hours left. I recommend you play Eve instead of Lazarus because it's a lot easier to unlock Angel Rooms with her so you can quickly access some miraculousness. Lazarus's strategy prefers to go to the devilroom and trade his hearts for weapons until he dies and comes back to life.

[popsofctown]

Skitter


How often do you think the scum PT was used

[teacher]

Im kinda confused about alot of what the last posts mean.

I can go Skit or Pops w/ a pref to pops. Since Sely is out of that lynch, what say you emps?

[popsofctown]

After Lazarus buys at least 1 item from a Satan room, he is no longer allowed to visit Angel Rooms at all for the rest of the game.

Does that help?