Mini 2097 - Make Me Regret This Game Over

[Korina]

I FUCKING AGREED WITH YOU THAT COPPING ME IS A BETTER SOLUTION

[jjh927]

Hey eth0s, do you want me to go through bit by bit of your post explaining why it's shit?

[TemporalLich]

eth0s I'm tempted to wagon you tomorrow please stop trying to act like I'm scum for wanting an openwolf dead

[Son of a Shepherd]

This "oh poor me" attitude is boring. The self-voting is bananas. Nano would not approve.
If you are in fact town Korina, you have brought disrespect to me and all who have voted you, and you must step upon our faces as you leave, since you have brought us great shame.

[Elbirn]

I'm not because of this game. You're so blatently scummy yet nobody is addressing it.

The lesser of all evils is to kill my slot, and give town a chance to see how fucking scummy you are because of it.

Pushing for your lynch isn't scummy. What has jjh done that is scummy aside from wanting you dead for good reasons. Sell me on it

[eth0s]

the PTs are one thing. Which I actually had a whole other strategy for but I guess that doesn't matter now. but the fact that he's potentially scum flagbearer and how we could have just made a vig a great value cop is the important part that NO ONE SEEMS TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT

[Son of a Shepherd]

the PTs are one thing. Which I actually had a whole other strategy for but I guess that doesn't matter now. but the fact that he's potentially scum flagbearer and how we could have just made a vig a great value cop is the important part that NO ONE SEEMS TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT

Where is this vig you speak of? Forgive my ignorance if this has been confirmed, but I do not believe so.

[TemporalLich]

Korina could be a compulsive loyal vig for all I care

[eth0s]

Hey eth0s, do you want me to go through bit by bit of your post explaining why it's shit?

honestly go for it idc

[eth0s]

I FUCKING AGREED WITH YOU THAT COPPING ME IS A BETTER SOLUTION

im talking about from our 1v1 just that this game in general people are cherrypicking my posts and it's fucking annoying

[Menalque]

For fucks sake

[Menalque]

Yo korina you still there? I agree on jjh!scum but I still like elements as a partner, and I don’t really see TD as scum over one of EP/TL

[jjh927]

We really should not be lynching Korina today. I think we could potentially break the setup depending on what exactly he has been telling the truth about. Hear me out.

His role isn't THAT strong. Scum get roles like this so that you're less inclined to lynch them because they have towny roles.

Part of Korina's role is essentially confirmed -- that is, the part where he gets to create these temporary masonries between players. Even if Korina isn't town we can "leash him" like towns sometimes do with SKs. He makes the speed dates that we want and we don't lynch him. How we will determine what is good or not is hard to establish but I'm thinking each player simply states who they wish to be speed dating.

Yes, part of it is confirmed, but that doesn't mean shit. They're also PTs, not masonries. You do not know the alignment of the other person in a PT with you. There are 2-3 scum, who will be put in those PTs, barring Korina on days that have an odd number of players. Having to say who you would like to be in a PT with may also give scum the ability to hunt for the stronger PRs.

This is even better in the case of town having a role or alignment checker, because hastily lynching him day 1 and losing access to this mechanic that might actually have incredible town value -- well that would be dumb. With a role/alignment check on him, at least one person and eventually others probably would have a way to sort him with real evidence while we keep him leashed and making the PTs that seem to benefit town most.

I wouldn't care about role checking him. We do not know whether or not we have an alignment check of any kind in this game. It would not be worthwhile for, say, a cop to out with an inno on Korina, nor would they out for a guilty on obvious scum- thus, alignment checking on Korina would be wasted regardless of alignment. The best players for cop checks are competent null players.

Personally I still don't fully believe that he isn't a flagbearer of some sort. But I'm more inclined to believe he is if scum, and is not if town. For the sake of the point I'm trying to make, assume he is a scum flagbearer. scum!flagbearer!korina either does not make the PTs we tell him to, or someone provides a guilty result on him, then we lynch him. In this case we would also kill/deal 1 damage to all scum. I am inclined to believe it would be the damage option. So if we put 1 point of damage on the entire enemy scumteam then a vig, should we have one, has MUCH better information and odds of finding scum.

As I discussed, this is most likely wrong. Some of the details I was asking about when I was poking holes in Korina's claim were essentially things I would expect of Korina's mindset, given certain things. If Korina is a flagbearer, it's nothing to do with damage. But Korina is not a flagbearer. It's not worth considering that scenario. Especially post flip, since if Korina was a flagbearer, scum would have lost and would probably be very annoyed at Korina, and would interrupt the twilight trolling.[/quote]

Essentially making him an investigative role of sorts. Because the vig can then shoot a target, and assuming no roleblockey type interference, or prior damage dealt from something else, if the target doesn't die, they can't be on the scumteam (because if they were on the scumteam they would only have 1 hp at this point, causing the vig shot to kill them).

You assume there is a "vig" type role that does damage to people. We do not know this. It runs on a lot of assumptions which are very weak, including the assumption that Korina is a very specific type of flagbearer which he would have claimed originally.

So basically unless someone has reason to believe that Korina is able to see the contents of these PT's, and could be using that information maliciously, I think the potential we could have in keeping him alive greatly outweighs the pros of lynching him now.

I am certain he cannot see the contents of these PTs. Not just because it would be a super imbalanced scum role, but also because of things I have said in mine. I functionally explained some of the thought processes behind things I was pulling, which Korina still responded to with flailing. He is scum, and lynching scum is absolutely our top priority. Mechanical play should augment dayplay, not replace it.

[Menalque]

Everyone who just voted korina without so much as even acknowledging my last big post is on my shit list now

Ditto

I’m annoyed with korina for the self vote but sympathetic on how you can end up there from an emotional play perspective. It was the wrong move because I wasn’t sold on lynching him, but people running him up there was a mistake while we still had talking to do

[Menalque]

We’re doing jjh tomorrow just so we’re clear

[jjh927]

Hey Menalque, aren't you supposed to be better at the game than this

Or have I just made that up

[Korina]

I'm here. TD is just scummy in my eyes. Elements is extremely scummy, hence why I think they should eat rope after jjh does.

[jjh927]

Since we're here, why in the fuck do you think Korina is town, Menalque? And what's bad about my push?

[jjh927]

If you're gonna come in here after the lynch has been locked in acting like you know something then you're gonna have to back it up

Show me what you'd have said to defend Korina

[Menalque]

Elements' post there was an acceptable observation

I would lynch jjh solely on the basis of this tbh. Elements’ comment was terrible because the statement from kori that he’s calling an “acceptable observation” is about something that could only be WIFOM if it was confirmed as coming from scum, if not, then it’s just as plausibly a townie trying to get someone to rethink the situation they’re deciding about. Pretty much, it’s NAI. So to drop a raw vote when the discussion should have been about eth0s’ post was shit, but it was even worse to praise that instead of calling it out.

[Menalque]

Hey Menalque, aren't you supposed to be better at the game than this

Or have I just made that up

Guess we’ll see depending on what you fli tomorrow hey, but I’m not the one who just led a push on town

[Menalque]

I'm here. TD is just scummy in my eyes. Elements is extremely scummy, hence why I think they should eat rope after jjh does.

Oh, I missed that. Okay, groovy.

Fucksake, I need to sleep but I wanted to pick your brain about the others. Mostly I think that jjh SRing TL is a good reason to wonder if that was being set for a mislynch after you, or if it’s just WIFOM/distancing due to TL being a plausible lynch throughout the game

[jjh927]

Actually you appear to be trying to lead a push on town for tomorrow, meanwhile I just lynched scum day 1

[Korina]

Wrong. You still haven't even fucking answered the question of what happens when I flip town

[Menalque]

You can 1v1 me tomorrow if you like jjh but you’re gonna lose

I respect that you’re trying to get the discredits in early considering you look fucking terrible atm