Mini Normal 2095 - Game Over!

[Chemist1422]

VC 3.3b

Luca Blight (1)

- Tchill13

Tchill13 (1)

- Luca Blight

Not Voting (3)

- Klick, gobbledygook, Lil Uzi Vert

With 5 alive, 3 is majority.

Countdown until Day 3 end: (expired on 2019-09-26 17:30:00)

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[gobbledygook]

I’m here and will be reading up

[gobbledygook]

Too tired to actually synthesize any thoughts on this. Will try again tomorrow morning at between 6 and 8:30 am

[Luca Blight]

This is an old 8p normal that had two goons and one weak cop as the only power.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=10162

[Tchill13]

Man can you find a 9p that has 2 goons and one PR? I specifically avoided 10p games but I can go back and check those?

[Luca Blight]

There isn't a large sample of 9p Normal games, but I'm looking. 8p is pretty damn close though and weak cop makes it less balanced in Town's favour than this game with one Loyal Mailman.

And you couldn't find one with 3 PR's so pipe down.

[Tchill13]

Pipe down? Lol. You're not even looking at the same game type or in the same que.

[Luca Blight]

The game I provided above was also a mini normal. It was 8p as opposed to 9p, but it had a weaker PR meaning it was more scum-sided than this game with one PR.

It's pretty obvious from the Newbie games alone that it's possible to have 1 Town PR. Just because there hasn't been an example of it yet in the handful of 9p Minis that have gone before doesn't mean it can't be done. The Newbie games are proof you can have a balanced game with 1 Town PR and 2 Goons, and the fact you're saying it's impossible just shows your own desperation.

By your own logic it must be impossible to have 3 Town PR's, because there isn't a previous example of a 9p mini Normal with 3 Town PR's.

[Tchill13]

No. You can infinitely increase mafia power to balance that.

You can't go any lower than 2 goons.

In the normal que... The que we're in now.

It's also a 9p game. Just so you know.

[Luca Blight]

....You can also reduce Town PR strength to balance it.

In the example you gave there were two Goons and two weaker Town PR's. In this game we have a very strong PR, even stronger than a regular cop, so that balances it out.

[Tchill13]

So 1 strong PR. 1 that only acts one night and one that may not even act on the single night that it's supposed to.

Ooh such a strong setup. No way 2 mafia could be that powerful.

[Luca Blight]

You're the one claiming 1 Town PR isn't possible which is utter BS. I actually think 3 PR's could be feasible, but in this game the evidence is stacked against it.

[Tchill13]

The DaTitsi lynch, opening the day pushing klick, effectively polarizing my best shot at winning this game with scum! Gobble, not claiming tracker at mass given how easy a fake claim that would have been to maintain and how much more believable I'd be atm.

[Luca Blight]

You jumped on the Datisi wagon after Icon switched from Gobble.

You set up Klick off the back of a Datisi green flip, and Klick expressed that you're full of shit at the end of D2. You also generally wanted me and Klick to doubt each other, which is what you were pushing the whole of D2.

You weren't the last to claim so if you had during Mass-claim so you could have been countered. And there is no town motivation behind claiming Tracker when you did. It would have been more believable, indeed, so why wouldn't you do it as Town? Because you're scum and claiming it early would have been a risk. You wanted to make sure there were no other PR claims before claiming yourself.

That's the last time I'm answering your WIFOM.

[Tchill13]

The DaTitsi lynch, opening the day pushing klick, effectively polarizing my best shot at winning this game with scum! Gobble, not claiming tracker at mass given how easy a fake claim that would have been to maintain and how much more believable I'd be atm.

[Luca Blight]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 4#p5669914

"The setup consisted of: 6 Vanilla Townies, 2 Mafia Goons, and 1 Town Cop."

Game, set and match.

[Tchill13]

damn, luca got me.

20 fucking 14 lol. thats entertaining.

[Tchill13]

gobble said he thought 3 town PRs was a norm. we'll have to see about that.

[Tchill13]

The DaTitsi lynch, opening the day pushing klick, effectively polarizing my best shot at winning this game with scum! Gobble, not claiming tracker at mass given how easy a fake claim that would have been to maintain and how much more believable I'd be atm.

[Klick]

I did my own unbiased investigation into this. I probably didn't find everything modern, but regardless of the team, this is a fairly strange setup. There are arguments against both setups - if Tchill/gobble are telling the truth, it would be odd in that there are three PRs, two of which are investigative and one of which is rather powerful (though I'd argue that gobble's role is basically a non-factor). If there's just a Loyal Mailman, that's not really seen in modern games either, and it has a level of swing that I'd think callforjudgement would avoid. The problem is that Cop-equivalents aren't really seen much in Micros.

All in all, I'd give a slight edge to there just being the Loyal Mailman. I don't think the NRG looks at the setup with two investigatives and goes 'hmm, we need to add a N3 Bodyguard'.

[Klick]

I also think with the type of player gobble is, he'd totally have this claim ready for the first time he rolled scum.

[Luca Blight]

And the type of player Tchill is, he'd definitely crumb his role D1 and would have no reason not to reveal it during the mass-claim.

[Klick]

LUV, can I ask why you haven't voted yet? You know Tchill is scum.

[Klick]

And gobble, can you talk to me about your reservations about a Luca/LUV scumteam? In my mind, that's the only team that makes any sense if you're town.

[Klick]

LUV, what is your theory on why Tchill/A50 decide to kill Alisae N1 over Claimed-Cop-Icon? Talk me through it - you know that's the scumteam, but I don't, so I need something that makes sense.

Gobble, do you still have the activity stats you made earlier in the game? Could you post them for Luca, A50 and Tchill?