Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah but he still posts when he lurks

[Pine]

Also he’s a Mason

[Gamma Emerald]

With who?

[Alisae]

like the first few things I heard about Katsuki is that he lurks as both alignments, and when he's in thread, he's usually trying to lynch someone?
Thats the biggest thing in common with his D1 and his D2 play, both of those days when he was posting, he was trying to lynch someone.
And now he's silent atm, he has made a few posts but nothing other then that.

[mastina]

I should probably put everything together as a readslist.

Skygazer/Titus
Dannflor
Menalque
xofelf/Something_Smart
GreyIce
Katsuki
Formerfish

Gamma Emerald

MariaR

Iconeum



chennisden
PenguinPower

Pink Ball

popsofctown

the worst


Firebringer


Krazy

About this.

Nobody in the top tier is flipping scum.
I sincerely doubt Gamma is scum.
I'm incredibly doubtful albeit not to the same extent of Gamma that Maria would be scum.

Iconeum is mostly null but is a lean towards nulltown.

Then you get into scumread territory, where chennisden and PenguinPower are leanscum darkhorse candidates for being scum which given that my reads aren't going to be 100% accurate below them probably contains at least one scum.

Pink Ball is the weakest scumread proper because it wasn't until he took a read on me he absolute wouldn't take as town that I had any reason to think he might be scum.
The other scumreads I have talked about extensively; I've literally overnight doubled the size of my iso (no joke, I had exactly 29 posts D1 and exactly 29 posts D2 and now have 150 posts currently) and most of it has been talking about those four so read my content since daystart.
If you click that link, and hit the iso button off of it, it'll work flawlessly because believe it or not I have a single-page iso this game! Yes, really, it's that fucking short. And yet clearly people haven't read it even though they really should.

[Alisae]

Also he’s a Mason

whatever you say mister tree

[Pine]

With who?

Probably GreyICE

[Gamma Emerald]

Riiiiiiight.

[Alisae]

Pink Ball is the weakest scumread proper because it wasn't until he took a read on me he absolute wouldn't take as town that I had any reason to think he might be scum.

can you elaborate

like honestly
I kind of like that list?

[Alisae]

{tw, ss}
{gamma, fishy}
{menaphos, dannflor}
{mariar}
{greyice, katsuki}
{krazy, titus, chennisden, iconeum, punk bill, penguinpower} <= roughly null
{firebringer, popsmaybetown}
{mastina}

so i'm townreading scum in some fashion


fishy first take for apocalyptically deep wolf. he's so high because i think the emotional range he's exhibited here is likely outside of his scum ethos; could like, technically be wrong, this is a very meta read

gamma like...consistently bleeds town imo

dannflor townread i like more than i did earlier, i think earlier when he menalque and i were interacting i kinda thought mena was more likely to be town than dannflor so maybe that just is a 3 town core? wow

mariar just posts pure and she's not pushing an agenda; idk why scum!maria in this game just..doesn't try and be townread or really do much, the only thing she's done is go for LLD. ah crap maybe she is the person i'm wrong on. this would be a solid bus. i'll check later.

greyice/katsuki just kinda lukewarm off following d1; think greyice is townier than katsuki but he's also more absent so neither of them have done anything except lynch LLD so feel like warmer bus takes. someone made a point about greyice doing something he wouldn't have done as scum emotionally to LLD which makes me think i missed something important in the like ~80 pages i skipped, hmu if this is a real thing

don't care about anyone in the next tier.

already spoken about subnulls today

oh yeah there's um
also this readlist

and mastina's read list is like
honestly
way better then this

[Alisae]

ok
yep
kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinda leaning mastina!town

[mastina]

Pink Ball is the weakest scumread proper because it wasn't until he took a read on me he absolute wouldn't take as town that I had any reason to think he might be scum.

can you elaborate

like honestly
I kind of like that list?

Sure.
Pink Ball is a player who knows me extensively. Of the players in this game, the only ones rivaling or exceeding him in recent mastina experience are Ankamius, Krazy, maybe the worst, and maybe Firebringer.

Literally nobody else in the playerlist, past or present, has played with me as much as they have.
A few have played with me some. popsofctown. Dannflor. Menalque. Chickadee. To name a few. But none of them have played with me as extensively as those 3-5 players which Pink Ball is among.

He has been exposed, intimately, to exactly what my town meta is.
He has seen me describe in great length what my towngame is and what my scumgame is, when I was town and telling the truth.
He has fucking seen the way I operate power roles.
He has fucking seen the way I operate claims.
He has fucking seen the way I react to when I'm faced with bullshit.
He has fucking seen the way I react to being on the precipice of being lynched.
He knows that this is my towngame to a T.
He saw it in Anime UPick.
He on the dot PERFECTLY captured it in Undertale where in a brilliant display he managed to prove that he knew exactly how to generate an accurate read on me, the process behind pushing just the right buttons to get the right information that would spew me as town and it did precisely that.
He has even seen me in my most recent scumgame (albeit almost a year ago, MBoS the original being a game where he correctly pegged me as scum) and has a very fucking good reference point for what it is and what it isn't.

He fucking knows that this isn't it because he has every game, every reason, every piece of knowledge to know that this is 100% the absolute purest form of my towngame beyond any ability for scumastina to fake.

And yet.

In spite of having all of that knowledge.
He goes and posts this.
And also this.
My responses to those posts were 6319 and 6315 (respectively).
To put it simply.
Pink Ball went out of his way to discard all of his knowledge about me, to deliberately misrep my stances and push a narrative he has every fucking reason to know isn't true.

And I got the very distinct impression that unlike in Undertale where he 'scumread' me as a reaction test, as revenge, to get a rise out of me. Unlike that game.
In this game he is pushing that as if it were actually legitimate when he has every fucking reason and basis to know it isn't.

[Alisae]

Ari is controversial for WKing LLD.

That's not why Aristophanes is scum, though it is something Aristophanes would do as scum.
Aristophanes is scum because of what he brings to the scumteam, the value Pine sees in Aristophanes, and what Aristophanes has done all game. What stances he's taken, what plays he's made, his tone, his content, his everything. The pushes he's made, the content he's providing, it all looks like his top-form scumgame rather than his natural towngame. Mostly, you can tell this by one simple fact;
Aristophanes this game is trying harder than he would be as town.
Yes, traditionally, Aristophanes as scum is a lurksack who does nothing; traditionally, town-Aristophanes usually does nothing for quite a bit and then ends up trying hard.

But this is an Aristophanes whose tryhardness is above and beyond the call to duty--this is an Aristophanes with something to prove, and Aristophanes as town would have nothing to prove.

Tired of mastina calling scum to players when her stance on herself and other players is "anyone is a good pick for Pine, if someone wasn't a good pick, they wouldn't be in the game". Mastina is not really playing the game. And she's actually a good pick for Pine, along with PP. Called them out on D1, they're both scum.

VOTE: mastina

holy shit
this is disgusting

[Alisae]

Pine didn't pick me because I am a poor choice.
I, similarly to Krazy, feel miserable as scum.

So we shouldn't scumread you because you're a poor choice, but Krazy is your second biggest scumread.

I smell something... something fishy... something... like bullshit

what is this

[Gamma Emerald]

Literally nobody else in the playerlist, past or present, has played with me as much as they have.

Really?

[Menalque]

@mastina, Krazy

What are your reads on kat?

[Krazy]

Alisae, mastina making a good list is why I was wrong on her for the vast majority of Story Revisited.

Mastina's favorite thing to do as scum is to make lists that look good.

I refuse to believe town mastina ever writes 6364. She knows Ank too well to think Ank ever fucking investigates me night 1. Like yeah, mastina being wrong on me is not new, but mastina spreading disinformation about Ank is just no. I don't know what it says about Mena, maybe she's spewing him town or something and I was wrong there, but that line is not a thought that passes through town mastina's mind.

Everything else can come from wrong-mastina, yes, but I really don't think that does.

[Alisae]

Alisae, mastina making a good list is why I was wrong on her for the vast majority of Story Revisited.

Mastina's favorite thing to do as scum is to make lists that look good.

I refuse to believe town mastina ever writes 6364. She knows Ank too well to think Ank ever fucking investigates me night 1. Like yeah, mastina being wrong on me is not new, but mastina spreading disinformation about Ank is just no. I don't know what it says about Mena, maybe she's spewing him town or something and I was wrong there, but that line is not a thought that passes through town mastina's mind.

Everything else can come from wrong-mastina, yes, but I really don't think that does.

okay but
those pink ball posts are
kiiiiiiinda bad

[Alisae]

like
I think she has a valid point there

[Krazy]

@mastina, Krazy

What are your reads on kat?

I had good vibes day 1 but they've been kinda absent since then. I don't remember a dropoff in play like this in EICN. But I do like the mastina vote

[Alisae]

Mena, whats your Pink Ball read?

[Krazy]

like
I think she has a valid point there

idk I kinda agree with 6213

mastina basically started this game saying I'm an unlikely pick for Pine:

^So my thoughts on Krazy can be summed up as: If Pine picked Krazy to be scum, it would be a dick move. Pine would know from experience that Krazy is burned out from playing scum and wouldn't have much fun in the role. Pine would know that while Krazy is an amazing town player, he's only so-so as a scum player.

and then has spent the entire rest of the game arguing she's a terrible pick for pine for [reasons] and that somehow, after Vengeful Ghosts, there's a chance in fucking hell Pine picks me

[Alisae]

like
I think she has a valid point there

idk I kinda agree with 6213

mastina basically started this game saying I'm an unlikely pick for Pine:

^So my thoughts on Krazy can be summed up as: If Pine picked Krazy to be scum, it would be a dick move. Pine would know from experience that Krazy is burned out from playing scum and wouldn't have much fun in the role. Pine would know that while Krazy is an amazing town player, he's only so-so as a scum player.

and then has spent the entire rest of the game arguing she's a terrible pick for pine for [reasons] and that somehow, after Vengeful Ghosts, there's a chance in fucking hell Pine picks me

Okay but hear me out
If mastina flips town
How do you view pink ball’s posts?

[Krazy]

It's not that I am a bad pick for Pine in general.

It's that IN THIS SPECIFIC GAME. I am a bad pick for Pine GIVEN WHAT FACTORS ARE IN PLAY.
This is the heart and core. The ESSENCE. Of why to focus on what Pine DID and DIDN'T do, rather than what Pine COULD do.
Pine could pick me, because of my strength as a scum player.
Pine didn't pick me, because IN THIS SPECIFIC GAME, my weaknesses as a scum player would outweigh those strengths.

Like mastina thinks that this means Pine doesn't pick her, but somehow she's willing to put in the mental fucking gymnastics necessary for Pine to pick me after the game where I pretty much exclusively led mislynches?

"but you put in EFFORT in VENGEFUL GHOSTS"

Like that's what I don't fucking get, mastina was in that game and knows that I literally left the site because of how fucking stupid that game was but SOMEHOW she a) thinks Pine picks me after that shitshow and b) thinks that I don't step back slightly after literally quitting the site?

I don't think mastina planned to actually push me today but she feels she needs 'someone' to rail on but there's no fucking way she makes the arguments she's made today in good faith

[mastina]

Mastina's favorite thing to do as scum is to make lists that look good.

Not even remotely close.
I make lists which look good as scum, sure, but that's not a talent of my scumplay; readslists are the best tool I have at communicating my thought process regardless of my alignment. The difference between scum readslists which look good and town readslists which are good is what they accomplish. They are fundamentally, inherently, used differently. They have some uses which overlap regardless of alignment; to get a grasp on the game. But their exact implementation carries with it an alignment and an agenda--yes, town readlists have agendas too even though when we normally think agendas we think of scum. The difference is that the town agenda is of a whole different level.

I refuse to believe town mastina ever writes 6364. She knows Ank too well to think Ank ever fucking investigates me night 1. Like yeah, mastina being wrong on me is not new, but mastina spreading disinformation about Ank is just no.

I chose my words carefully. You know what I said?

A I think the fact that we're ignoring her most likely check is nonsense.

What if I said that if I were to actually give a guess as to who she hid behind my guess would be you?

I didn't say Ankamius hid behind you. I said that if I were to give a guess my guess would be you. There is a key difference between the former, what you said I said, and the latter, what I actually said.

The difference isn't semantics; it's critical and vital. The latter is very specifically not disinformation about Ank least of all because the idea of Ank hiding behind you is certainly far more plausible than the idea of Ank hiding behind me. But the real kicker is I've made my stance abundantly clear on the subject: I can't tell who Ank hid behind nor will I pretend I am able to. So what I said was basically "I can't tell who Ank hid behind, I don't know who Ank hid behind, I don't really want to guess who Ank hid behind but if forced to make a guess you're my best bet" more or less. You being my best bet, when I specifically don't want to place a bet, isn't exactly hard-selling "Ank hid behind Krazy", now, is it?