Micro 891 - Death List (Game Over)

[Donempire]

Now that we know how to lynch anyone here, can we please start playing this normally instead of sprinkling crumbs like a pigeon and setup speccing?

[Hectic]

Asking for details instead of opinions seems like they're up to a scheme, and I'm afraid of schemes.

Can you explain this?

Just a quote could be used to push him, or not push him. Asking me for a quote and opinion, like "is the nonsense readable, or do you just read the other stuff" gives you tougher options, you either have to fight my opinion, or drop the topic. The latter helps you read me better; I'm going to townread players that seem interested in reading me.

I'd rather not have my main outed.

VOTE: Layer

I'll entertain this. I feel like MariaR has some weird interaction with Hectic.

@MariaR: What do you think about Hectic?

I see your point. Hectic was kind of put up a topic at the top of the queue, in a way.

Asking for details instead of opinions seems like they're up to a scheme, and I'm afraid of schemes.

VOTE: Layer

wait
you talking about Maria here?

will catchup later btw

[Azuresky]

Uhhh....

VOTE: REVERSE i guess

Hey your avi looks like Mikan so I like you.

Dont know what that has to do with the game.

It is mikan, but i stole it from junkochan, so i guess you should like her instead?

Spoiler:

Blessed be the Ultimate Despair

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Alright, reading the setup it seems to me like normal lynching but with extra steps. Why cant scum kill? And is there a point where we might end up not be able to lynch someone at all?

At the end of every phase, the top-listed player will die.

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Pops is probably town, but I do have a tiny tiny tiny reason to believe she is scum, but I do not feel like outing my reason as it is reaching (and somewhat a gut feeling) and I tr pops enough for now to ignore it.

I can't think of a protown reason not to out it.

If you feel that the reason is invalid at its core, there are six townies that can show you so in a collaborative process.
If it's truly valid at its deepest core then scum!pops would possibly NK you n1 or n2 as one of the players with a reservation against you she could never address, or maybe I guess she leaves you alive until LyLo where there is only 1 other townie to figure out whether your idea is dumb or smart and talk it out with you. But like, I don't see how it helps you to hide it.

Just like I gave a slight townread to Maria for #11, I kinda could see your #6 coming from a scum perspective since you arent too much of a fan of playing it.

Its reaching and an RVS read, but its there. I think your play otherwise suggests that you are town imo.

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In regards to weather the mafia would put themselves at the top or bottom of the list - I think there's so much wifom there it's pointless speculating especially given we can get anyone to the top of the list.

Elements, baby. I need your advice.

What is your read on Hectic? What alignment do you see Hectic giving that number? Is Hectic a fan of WIFOM Gambits as either alignment?

And if you scumread him, are you interesting in skipping now or shuffling?

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To be fair the only person that can die right now is hectic. But your point is noted.

#33 seems NAI imo. I also am not sure of what to do right now myself, but SKIP should be seen as Anti-town unless you believe Hectic is scum.

P-Edit: Oh boy, I need Elements in here, I need him to help me break this game

basically RVS there
why not vote something random?
how is this different?

I feel the vote to shuffle is much more important than a regular lynch because doing shuffling can make people immune for the day on an accidental hammer. I want to be really sure of the plan before we do something, ESPECIALLY if we skip.

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I'd rather not have my main outed.

VOTE: Layer

I'll entertain this. I feel like MariaR has some weird interaction with Hectic.

@MariaR: What do you think about Hectic?

I see your point. Hectic was kind of put up a topic at the top of the queue, in a way.

Asking for details instead of opinions seems like they're up to a scheme, and I'm afraid of schemes.

VOTE: Layer

Locke hasn't posted yet
why vote him?

This isn't confirmed that they are scumreading Locke though. They could, but they could be working on lining up someone else for the lynch with the other shuffles.

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Now that we know how to lynch anyone here, can we please start playing this normally instead of sprinkling crumbs like a pigeon and setup speccing?

Should I townread this? I feel like I should but my gut says no.

I mean, thats why Im not voting just yet, because theres alot to go with involving shuffles.

[Locke113]

Forgive me for what I must do but its all aboard the page by page catch-up train, choo choo!!!

Spoiler:

One	Two	The	For	Fiv	Six	Svn	Eht	Nin	Ten
A	X	O	L	O	T	L	V	@	I
W	I	N	D	Y	R	I	I	T	C
I	¥	A	O	£	U	A	G	O	O
T	R	A	C	K	E	R	P	F	N
U	¤	Y	T	I	V	A	C	L	S
M	A	Y	O	L	N	T	?	I	N
O	V	E	R	T	O	O	¶	N	A
U	D	R	A	W	O	W	R	G	G
R	U	I	N	E	D	N	O	E	E
W	R	O	N	G	ß	Y	E	S	V

I can already tell joining this game was a terrible terrible mistake

I have a really really tiny town read on Dunn and Hectics.

VOTE: HALF

You believe scum are less likely to put themselves at the top of the list?

I believe scum to be more careful and not careless.

Surely thats mostly down to playstyle, rather than alignment? I mean sure scum might be more careful than usual but a careless player will overall be careless no matter the alignment

VOTE: SKIP

Some reasoning would be appreciated.

Pretty sure 12 is pretty sketchy because this site does not allow cryptography/secret messages in their site rules. And 13 feels LAMIST especially with the fake claim. You do realize how stacked this lobby is right?

I'm curious what bearing the fact that the lobby is stacked has to do with the point you're making. Also how stacked is this lobby exactly?

[Locke113]

well fuck me, I could swear that use to work last time I played

[Locke113]

Page 2

Really sorry everyone, but I'm in far too many games right now, so I'm gonna have to sub out of this one. I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with everyone here, and it was great bantering with the likes of emps and Sushi Martyr.

But the pressure from rolling Rolecop was just far too stressful for me to handle, so I'd like apologise to my scum partner,

teacher

, and to the mafiascum community as a whole for my disgraceful act here.

Don't scumread my replacement for this please.

@mod:

Requesting replacement.

Fantastic news everyone: I'm going to claim town. Thought about survivor or lyncher, but I think it'd be hard to justify those, so town it is for now.

The reread that was promised will be delivered tomorrow. For now, I have some enquiries to make to some of the lovely innocent members of this fine upstanding town.

I did not go into this game expecting to sort Hectic by page 2, for sure

Recently, individuals have been sorting me as town

far

too early in games.
It'll be page 2, we're still the depths of RVS when Elizabeth pops up and says: "Hectic is obvtown btw. Gonna treat him as an Innocent Child from here."
Elizabeth, though I appreciate your support, it does take some of the fun out of the game for me, it causes things to be a lot more dull.
I want a challenge, I want to prove my towniness just like the rest of you.
Therefore, I will intentionally avoid all townspewing this game. Thank you for understanding.

Out of interest, what is your read on me so far?

I've changed my mind, I love this man

Ugh, that Nymph kid? They've got to go. The best way to do that is to Layer into Pair
VOTE: Layer
Should be pretty obvious if you ask me.

I have no clue who you are but I like you already

For The record, as long as Im alive, I will try to provide everyone with what the action will lead to help with scumhunting. If you want to know how to lynch someone, I will let you know:

For Now: 3 Shuffles Remaining

REVERSE - Locke113
HALF - Popsofctown
PAIR - MariaR
LAYER - Locke113
SKIP (ENDS THE DAY) - Hectic
UNDO (COSTS ONE SHUFFLE, DOES NOT END DAY) - Hectic

(Please let me know if there are any mistakes)

Corrected

Nifty

[Azuresky]

So Zetta slow

[Locke113]

I doubt I "see what you're talking" about MariaR, I'm pretty sure I'm a piano that is tuned quite differently from you most of the time. I would say what pings me is post 33 https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11274380 being easily replaceable with no post at all.

You do realise there are post tags right? Like you've been on this site much longer than myself so I don't want to be rude, just it seems weird to post the whole url rather than use the post tags

Because I found it weird that you would pivot and not mention anything about Hectic's weird posts.

Why would I respond to nonsense? Seems kinda useless and just clogs of the thread. So, if the interaction is so strange to you what kinda impression does it give you? 'Strange' can mean many things. Why don't you clear that up.

How dare you? Hectic is a treasure, I've only had Hectic for about five minutes tops, but if anything happened to him, I would kill everyone in this room and then myself.

I slight town lean MariaR.

I assume you have reasons for this read?

Ok, I'm going to leave a big post here for awhile as I plan on being busy tomorrow:

Give me Maria for town at this point, I'm usually a sucker for posts like #11, as most of the time this is a genuine statement.

Quickly looking at Hectics #12, I found the words,

Wind Tracker May Ruined Wrong Byes

take that as you will, its probably nothing, as there are no PRs in this game.

Hectic #15 ("You Believe Scum are Less Likely to put themselves at the top of the list") - Hectic could be scum for this. The WIFOM play is ballsy and something I can respect. Nymph v Hectic looks to be TvS if you ask me.

Pops is probably town, but I do have a tiny tiny tiny reason to believe she is scum, but I do not feel like outing my reason as it is reaching (and somewhat a gut feeling) and I tr pops enough for now to ignore it.


In Summary, I personally would like to think as of right now: Hectic/Nymph and someone who hasn't talked much yet (Dong/Elements/Dunn/Locke). I would vote SKIP right now, but I want to hear from those 4 before I make any more assumptions. I think this should provide yall some talking points to work with.

Other Notes:

I have a really really tiny town read on Dunn and Hectics.

VOTE: HALF

Dunn hasn't posted yet up to that post. Fake reads?

#11 was her first post right? curious what you like about the post, beyond the fact that its very entertaining?

Curious could you elaborate on what makes Hectic v Nymph look TvS to you?

Not sure I like the whole I townread this person, but I think they also might be scum but I'm not gonna say what it is. Like just give us the deets.

[Locke113]

So Zetta slow

[Locke113]

I had a theory that I've been thinking about how to possibly use VCA and associate players with other players based off the 3rd shuffle. If a player that is safe picks one option over another, then see who would die in that other option. That person has a "buddying" relationship with that player if the player or other person is scum.

Do I tryhard in this game and get a notebook and draw the permutations and statistical possibilities for each shuffle? Do I hate myself enough to do this?

You know you want to, turn the dark side, I'm totally not saying this cause that sounds cool but I don't have the brains to do it myself

Pops is probably town, but I do have a tiny tiny tiny reason to believe she is scum, but I do not feel like outing my reason as it is reaching (and somewhat a gut feeling) and I tr pops enough for now to ignore it.

I can't think of a protown reason not to out it.

If you feel that the reason is invalid at its core, there are six townies that can show you so in a collaborative process.
If it's truly valid at its deepest core then scum!pops would possibly NK you n1 or n2 as one of the players with a reservation against you she could never address, or maybe I guess she leaves you alive until LyLo where there is only 1 other townie to figure out whether your idea is dumb or smart and talk it out with you. But like, I don't see how it helps you to hide it.

That said, if it concerns some of my ongoing games that you have read, it is undeed the unfortunate case that you're required to use it to inform your read but not explain it to other people, according to site rules. Expressing a desire that you hope one of those games finish during this one would be o.k.

In regards to weather the mafia would put themselves at the top or bottom of the list - I think there's so much wifom there it's pointless speculating especially given we can get anyone to the top of the list.

Agree with both of these rn

so youre not buying in to wifom?

I can see hectic doing it, never played with dunn, have you? Think dunn would wifom?

I will not comment about having played with other players or not. I feel like scum!Dunn would be a bit more careful but I can see him submitting his number like that as scum. Hence, the tiny town read.

I don't think I'm more likely to be lynched than other people because I picked a high number

Or maybe the year he graduated.

That would be pretty impressive

VOTE: Reverse

Reverse -> Half -> Skip seems like a good idea to me

Ok so I thought I had this, but I've realised my brain can't comprehend the voting system beyond whatever it can currently do so can you enlighten me, who would that hit?

P-Edit: Oh boy, I need Elements in here, I need him to help me break this game

What's your history with Elements? Don't tell me you need them to get your own footing in the game. That'd be pretty bland.

I'll entertain this. I feel like MariaR has some weird interaction with Hectic.

@MariaR: What do you think about Hectic?

Uh, are you alright? I don't have a single interaction with Hectic. So I don't know what you're talking about. Humans, you're so strange I swear.

What do I think about the guy? He's posted a bunch of nonsense that I don't care to read. His questions aren't interesting. I'm waiting but he's on my bad side. Well, more than normal.

Pedit: Thanks for joining my vote. Keep it up

we got one of these ones eh?
you're lucky you're not in my prime years of 2008-2012
would rage and deathtunnel you
but i have something that my 2010 self didn't
patience
apathy
wisdom
so i will disregard this
for now

Seriously, can you just be in all my games from now on?

[Dunnstral]

At the end of every phase, the top-listed player will die.

It's impossible to manipulate it in a way where mafia can't kill someone who is town in 1 shuffle

[Dunnstral]

Ok so I thought I had this, but I've realised my brain can't comprehend the voting system beyond whatever it can currently do so can you enlighten me, who would that hit?

Element

[popsofctown]

This may be out of order because I'm bad at multiquote.

The first 3 pages are rolepaying and setup spec, damn.
I guess it befalls me to restart the rvs so we can actually get started.
VOTE: Guyinfreezer because i sure as hell wouldnt mind a more straightforward lynching system.

This seems like red PM behavior. You're not participating in RVS even though you claim you want it to happen for an ostensible protown reason.

Then your joke vote doesn't even match your policy, like.. you start this post encouraging everyone to ignore setup spec and progress to dayplay, then skip some dayplay to make a comment about how the setup mechanics impact the game. The dissonance makes me think you're thinking "town!dongempire would be frustrated by setup spec so I will state that he is" and then your actions are demonstrating "scum!dongempire doesn't mind the setup spec and it's a great opportunity for memes".

Azuresky, is there a shuffle option that lets me vote here?

so youre not buying in to wifom?

I can see hectic doing it, never played with dunn, have you? Think dunn would wifom?

I will not comment about having played with other players or not. I feel like scum!Dunn would be a bit more careful but I can see him submitting his number like that as scum. Hence, the tiny town read.

I don't think I'm more likely to be lynched than other people because I picked a high number

Or maybe the year he graduated.

That would be pretty impressive

VOTE: Reverse

Reverse -> Half -> Skip seems like a good idea to me

Hm. This was on my clipboard and I drafted a post that responded to this, but I lost the post to a login timeout when I went afk, and now I can't remember what I posted about this.
The takeaway would be, I must have not had a strong, memorable stance, proposing a sequence of three shuffles is odd to me but I can't decide which kind of odd.

I'd rather not have my main outed.

VOTE: Layer

I'll entertain this. I feel like MariaR has some weird interaction with Hectic.

@MariaR: What do you think about Hectic?

I see your point. Hectic was kind of put up a topic at the top of the queue, in a way.

Asking for details instead of opinions seems like they're up to a scheme, and I'm afraid of schemes.

VOTE: Layer

Locke hasn't posted yet
why vote him?

We're in a low information phase of the game and I'm interested in using my vote to get information about others, and reveal information about myself.
I sheeped MariaR to indicate I have better vibes from her than from Nymph.

Asking for details instead of opinions seems like they're up to a scheme, and I'm afraid of schemes.

Can you explain this?

Just a quote could be used to push him, or not push him. Asking me for a quote and opinion, like "is the nonsense readable, or do you just read the other stuff" gives you tougher options, you either have to fight my opinion, or drop the topic. The latter helps you read me better; I'm going to townread players that seem interested in reading me.

I'd rather not have my main outed.

VOTE: Layer

I'll entertain this. I feel like MariaR has some weird interaction with Hectic.

@MariaR: What do you think about Hectic?

I see your point. Hectic was kind of put up a topic at the top of the queue, in a way.

Asking for details instead of opinions seems like they're up to a scheme, and I'm afraid of schemes.

VOTE: Layer

wait
you talking about Maria here?

will catchup later btw

I was talking to MariaR, about Nymph.
Also, why do people drop the 'R' off "MariaR"? The R is the best part. I say it out loud in my head every time I read it. "Muuuhreeeuuuuhhhaaaawwwwwrrrr". I'm pretty sure the R doesn't stand for anything. It's capitalized to emphasize that when you say her name, you should strongly be overcome by a desire to roar by the end of the word, because she's so alpha.

Pops is probably town, but I do have a tiny tiny tiny reason to believe she is scum, but I do not feel like outing my reason as it is reaching (and somewhat a gut feeling) and I tr pops enough for now to ignore it.

I can't think of a protown reason not to out it.

If you feel that the reason is invalid at its core, there are six townies that can show you so in a collaborative process.
If it's truly valid at its deepest core then scum!pops would possibly NK you n1 or n2 as one of the players with a reservation against you she could never address, or maybe I guess she leaves you alive until LyLo where there is only 1 other townie to figure out whether your idea is dumb or smart and talk it out with you. But like, I don't see how it helps you to hide it.

Just like I gave a slight townread to Maria for #11, I kinda could see your #6 coming from a scum perspective since you arent too much of a fan of playing it.

Its reaching and an RVS read, but its there. I think your play otherwise suggests that you are town imo.

I can follow that. I'm actually pretty excited about this game and rather disinterested in Baezu's setups, I just have a really soft spot for paradox humor.
I townread you for being willing to articulate a point that goes against your overall conclusion on a slot, empirically I think that's way more town than scum. I've had other reasons to townread you as well. MariaR, are you on this boat yet?

Now that we know how to lynch anyone here, can we please start playing this normally instead of sprinkling crumbs like a pigeon and setup speccing?

Should I townread this? I feel like I should but my gut says no.

I mean, thats why Im not voting just yet, because theres alot to go with involving shuffles.

Re: my previous comment: read his motivations, not how he wants you to perceive his motivations. I haven't been thrilled.

I'm curious what bearing the fact that the lobby is stacked has to do with the point you're making. Also how stacked is this lobby exactly?

Sometimes I have

feelings

about people playing under secret alts and then making meta comments, and saying the lobby is stacked is a meta comment. Sometimes, it varies, I'm not positive on my opinion sometimes. But right now I'll be nice and answer this on behalf of Nymph and consequently make their main harder to PoE (as far as the information component, analysis is up to Nymph of course.)
Elements is newish but really good for his experience level
MariaR has been around the block and is really good
I'm above average
Dunnstral has played plenty and vigged scum n1 in a large recently
Hectic has certainly played a lot of mafia and presumably he's probably good
I think I saw Azuresky /in the newbie queue as new a couple months ago
I don't know you or whether you're part of Nymph's tally.
Is that everyone?
Oh dongempire is at least an SE
Nymph is probably an alt of someone experienced especially since they act like they're in the ennui phase of a mafia career.

So Zetta slow

What does this mean?

I doubt I "see what you're talking" about MariaR, I'm pretty sure I'm a piano that is tuned quite differently from you most of the time. I would say what pings me is post 33 https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11274380 being easily replaceable with no post at all.

You do realise there are post tags right? Like you've been on this site much longer than myself so I don't want to be rude, just it seems weird to post the whole url rather than use the post tags

Ah, but you see, being on the site too long is exactly the problem, back in 2008 post tags were never used, I think they maybe were not even an available feature. They certainly were not embedded into the quote function. Much of the time period where they became available and more prevalent overlaps with my hiatus.
I have not figured out how to generate a post tag in a short number of clicks and keystrokes, I usually have to quote the post and delete everything except the embedded post tag which is tedious.

Because I found it weird that you would pivot and not mention anything about Hectic's weird posts.

Why would I respond to nonsense? Seems kinda useless and just clogs of the thread. So, if the interaction is so strange to you what kinda impression does it give you? 'Strange' can mean many things. Why don't you clear that up.

How dare you? Hectic is a treasure, I've only had Hectic for about five minutes tops, but if anything happened to him, I would kill everyone in this room and then myself.

This made me laugh at the screen and I have to comment on this rarity. I've heard the joke format before, but Hectic as the beloved child strikes me particularly funny given everything about him.

I don't understand a strong townread on Hectic this early. But it's little unclear from your posting in what proportions you're townreading him and enjoying his playstyle? Is he townlock to you? If so I guess I have to change my Hectic read immediately: you must be the Elizabeth .

[Azuresky]

Nymph, where on Earth did you go?

#11 was her first post right? curious what you like about the post, beyond the fact that its very entertaining?

Curious could you elaborate on what makes Hectic v Nymph look TvS to you?

As I said before in the quote, I usually find rvs posts like "im town again" or "thank god im not scum" to be genuine. This isn't always true obviously, but I tend to believe it.

Curious could you elaborate on what makes Hectic v Nymph look TvS to you?

Just how I see their posts in relation to each other. Just a feeling imo.

This seems like red PM behavior. You're not participating in RVS even though you claim you want it to happen for an ostensible protown reason.

Then your joke vote doesn't even match your policy, like.. you start this post encouraging everyone to ignore setup spec and progress to dayplay, then skip some dayplay to make a comment about how the setup mechanics impact the game. The dissonance makes me think you're thinking "town!dongempire would be frustrated by setup spec so I will state that he is" and then your actions are demonstrating "scum!dongempire doesn't mind the setup spec and it's a great opportunity for memes".

Azuresky, is there a shuffle option that lets me vote here?

Per Hectic, HALF > LAYER > SKIP

You got a point here, especially going back into ISO:

The first 3 pages are rolepaying and setup spec, damn.

Alright, reading the setup it seems to me like normal lynching but with extra steps. Why cant scum kill? And is there a point where we might end up not be able to lynch someone at all?

So the scum kill is registered by manipulating the list so the top player dies again? In tjat case, can scum kill themselves forcibly?

Kinda Hypocritical, no? He contributed to it.

What does this mean?

Spoiler:

3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751
058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679821480865
1328230664709384460955058223172535940812848111745028410270193
8521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233
7867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602
4914127372458700660631558817488152092096282925409171536436789
2590360011330530548820466521384146951941511609433057270365759
59195309218611738193261179310511854807446237996274956735188575
27248912279381830119491298336733624406566430860213949463952247
37190702179860943702770539217176293176752384674818467669405132

Shoot: Pops

Its just a comment on Locke's Avi. Nothing relevant.

[Elements]

Elements, baby. I need your advice.

What is your read on Hectic? What alignment do you see Hectic giving that number? Is Hectic a fan of WIFOM Gambits as either alignment?

And if you scumread him, are you interesting in skipping now or shuffling?

atm I'd say I'm slightly scum reading him. Mostly just gut here but his persona doesn't feel very obvious atm. I think we should do at least one rearranging of the list even if we then undo it.

[Nymph]

so youre not buying in to wifom?

I can see hectic doing it, never played with dunn, have you? Think dunn would wifom?

I will not comment about having played with other players or not. I feel like scum!Dunn would be a bit more careful but I can see him submitting his number like that as scum. Hence, the tiny town read.

I don't think I'm more likely to be lynched than other people because I picked a high number

I just think you would be more careful and strategical in what number you chose instead of some meme date.

I slight town lean MariaR.

I assume you have reasons for this read?

gut

[Nymph]

I'm curious what bearing the fact that the lobby is stacked has to do with the point you're making. Also how stacked is this lobby exactly?]

There are 3 players in this lobby that I've played with before that I perceive to be at least above average.

This may be out of order because I'm bad at multiquote.

The first 3 pages are rolepaying and setup spec, damn.
I guess it befalls me to restart the rvs so we can actually get started.
VOTE: Guyinfreezer because i sure as hell wouldnt mind a more straightforward lynching system.

This seems like red PM behavior. You're not participating in RVS even though you claim you want it to happen for an ostensible protown reason.

Then your joke vote doesn't even match your policy, like.. you start this post encouraging everyone to ignore setup spec and progress to dayplay, then skip some dayplay to make a comment about how the setup mechanics impact the game. The dissonance makes me think you're thinking "town!dongempire would be frustrated by setup spec so I will state that he is" and then your actions are demonstrating "scum!dongempire doesn't mind the setup spec and it's a great opportunity for memes".

I'm going to sheep this because I think this is good.

HALF->REVERSE->SKIP

VOTE: HALF

[Azuresky]

GiF give me a votecount please.

[Donempire]

CAN YOU PEOPLE SPOILER YOUR POSTS

[Donempire]

Alright looks like im getting a lot of flak, thats a good sign.

I'm not scum, but im not going to defend myself. I could, but im liking where its taking everyone.

Please expand more on why my posts suck, i'll focus on some other stuff.

[Donempire]

Actually no, the "hypocritical" part will only stick with me instead of encouraging someone to push me.

The first 3 pages are rolepaying and setup spec, damn.

Alright, reading the setup it seems to me like normal lynching but with extra steps. Why cant scum kill? And is there a point where we might end up not be able to lynch someone at all?

So the scum kill is registered by manipulating the list so the top player dies again? In tjat case, can scum kill themselves forcibly?

Kinda Hypocritical, no? He contributed to it.

Nope!
I contributed to it when it was still vaguely understood. Now that hectic even made a post clearing up how to lynch every single player, there is no reason to dwell on it further. I emphasized it in 100 too, read mate

[Donempire]

Trying to help you reach the second page so we can remove ourselves from the hellish unspoilered landscape of fifth page. Will be updating you as things progress.

In other news, pops is too scared of dongempire to wagon him? More on 8 o clock.

[popsofctown]

I'm going to sheep this because I think this is good.

HALF->REVERSE->SKIP

VOTE: HALF

That is the first time someone has expressed a desire to sheep my read, then immediately voted me
Thank you GiF for bringing us this magical setup.

Since we don't know what the mafia might do at night and any of our reads might be wrong, I think it's going to be best to pick transformations one by one. It is not possible for the mafia to go in 5 player LyLo and become impossible for us to lynch one of them even if we have both of them identified.
Using the votecount to show where you are is always a good idea, though.
I'm going to VOTE: Pair, which is a Dunnstral vote; I think that's the most likely of the 4 lynchable players to flip scum. They're all pretty close, except for the one whose role PM I can view.

But I think it's important to keep sorting all 9 slots.
Not excited by dongempire's reaction right away on that topic.

@Elements: Why are you saying "I think we should do at least one rearranging of the list"? I noticed "Skip" is the only option we can do that reduces scum's agency, actually, whereas every other option gives them the choice of selecting "Undo", "Undo" is identical to not submitting anything if we skip. Why are you drawing the opposite conclusions from me about the mechanics here?

[Donempire]

Pops, please stop using wishy washy wording like "not impressed" or "not thrilled" or "not excited" or any variations of that. It really doesnt bode well, especially since you consider yourself an "above average player" and yet you cant wagon a mere SE player.

[popsofctown]

I'm an SE player who is 0 for 1 reading you correctly, so I feel a little bit guilty about it, yeah.

I can't wagon you in a literal sense, you're literally unlynchable today.
I don't think I'm usually a very wagony sort of player, though.