Mini 2097 - Make Me Regret This Game Over

[schadd_]

VC 2.2

jjh927 (3):

Menalque, TemporalLich, Elbirn

Elements (2):

Adorable, eth0s

Elbirn (2):

TiphaineDeath, Elements

EspressoPatronum (1):

mastina

TemporalLich (1):

jjh927

Not voting: Chemist1422, EspressoPatronum

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2019-10-06 17:40:00) or when a lynch is reached.

[jjh927]

Sorry I realize this wasn't why you shared those links

But I think its funny that you brought up Mastina's meta breakdown in that game when, upon reading it, I found that you were scum and mastina was trying to use your meta to support her belief that you were town even though you were guiltied scum

I mean yeah
Last two games I pushed my scumrange a little

Also I wasn't really guiltied scum. FL was hard bussing me with a fake guilty

[Elbirn]

Hey JJ seeing as how fuckall is happening now uhhh why do you townread mastina please and thank you

[TemporalLich]

elbirn why do you scumread mastina?

[mastina]

He takes the time to engage with the post, but only

after

day has ended and we're in twilight, in 537. aka, he's trying to distance himself from the mislynch by explaining why he wasn't persuaded by the post.

That is a towntell not a scumtell.

but if you're town, why not engage the arguments first while events are still in motion?

I don't buy the argument of suspicious timing and fully believe jjh was going to argue those points regardless of Korina's status at the time jjh argued them; jjh had no way of knowing Korina would self-hammer (as town no less) before he could make them.

Same reason why my popping up an hour after Korina was lynched wasn't scum indicative; sometimes, people just have timing that by bad coincidence just so happens to look sketchy when it's more reflective of their real life rather than of any in-game agenda.

kori literally having been lynched and saying he's town i.e. erasure of the incentive to lie.

I actually gave a counter to this in my PT with Adorable, which I didn't post because it was something I typed before Korina was lynched that became irrelevant once Korina flipped town--
There absolutely WAS incentive for Korina to lie.
What was it?
This.

@mastina, why do you think kori!scum bothers posting here in twilight when it hasn’t really interfered with us talking about things? Like the whole conversation has been too cogent for me to think that’s more likely than kori!town emotionally self-hammering and then trying to cause chaos in twilight, plus the fact that, again, if he flips scum it’s very easy to just disregard everything he’s said here as WIFOM

Korina answered this for you, in 680: (to) seed chaos.

Sounds pretty much exactly like what he actually did to me!

...And that remains true. Korina had incentive to lie to seed chaos and Korina's post-hammer behavior to me looked like he was doing precisely that.

If I thought as much, jjh easily could have, too.

"I don't understand how any sane person could actually townread Korina right now".

And given Korina's play, that is a stance any sane player would take and was in fact my own take as well--why're you scumreading jjh for taking that stance and not me when I had literally the same mindset as jjh?

SoaS is a weird kill. But he's a perfectly logical kill for scum!jjh because that lets him entirely control the narrative of what happened in the PT with SoaS.

This is the logic players use to mislynch slots who should be locktown because they would never nightkill the player in their PT. See also, the game-losing mislynch I suffered in MBoS 4 where I quite correctly argued I wouldn't have killed the player in the PT with me, yet the scum argued that "mastina killed them so that she could control the narrative of it".

So sorry. Don't buy that logic and never will because it's never actually accurate; scum don't do this, but they sure mislynch town a lot by using this logic!

[mastina]

I really think Menalque's case in 995 is compelling.

And I really think you're scum showing flagrant blatant opportunism by hopping onto a shitty case that is easy to latch onto but which when analyzed utterly falls apart.

[mastina]

VOTE: jjh

The scumteam is literally just EspressoPatronum, TemporalLich, and probably Elements here. (Darkhorse Elbirn but Elbirn's scumread can at least plausibly come from town.)

[mastina]

How does EP make both of these posts

By having a scum alignment, natch.

[mastina]

I don't like the progression of this wagon on jjh
It seems to have gone from a tinfoil into a full-on thing in a weird way

Because scum have a nifty scapegoat in the form of Menalque to latch onto and with him spearheading it they could blatantly latch onto the wagon and go "hey we might be able to push this through".

[mastina]

I'd like to know if I'm a counterwagon to something at which point we also discover that TL was not considered a viable counterwagon

You were a counterwagon to both EspressoPatronum and TemporalLich, the only other two wagons with real momentum.

I mean, outside chance of Elbirn/Elements as both of them HAD wagons, but none with the same support as those two.

[mastina]

But then at the same time Mena has arguably been my highest TR the whole game.

Being town does not equal being accurate with your suspicions.

Menalque is town.

Menalque's scumread on jjh could not be more wrong.

Menalque's scumread on jjh being absolutely wrong does not magically make Menalque any less town--for the same reasons that jjh's scumread on Korina ending up being wrong did not magically make jjh any less town.

In fact let me put this to Menalque directly.

Menalque: do you realize that if jjh were lynched today and flipped town, the very case you used against him would then be applicable to YOUR actions D2?

Think about that for a second and then realize what that means.

[eth0s]

I've skimmed and still definitely leaning on jjh vs mena as tvt. Even if it's not I think today is not the day to lynch jjh. There's at least 3 better options.

my work has actually been balls to the wall stupid the last couple days. working too much per day, working days im not supposed to. I am so exhausted. I will give this game the attention it deserves soon.

[Elements]

this game needs something drastic to happen before it falls into the void

[TemporalLich]

Time pressure isn't going to happen, so we need votes or reads

[jjh927]

VOTE: EP

[schadd_]

prodding menalque

[TiphaineDeath]

Holy GOD that Jjh wagon was bad.

Scrap everything I said forever, or at least like, 90% of it.

Let's start with this. There

ARE

two scum in Elbirn-TL-EP-Mena

It seems most likely that those two are Elbirn-TL, because without any crazy VCA or so-called tinfoil theories, those two are the ones that have been acting the scummiest. I would like to see one of them dead today and will be happy to be on either one of their lynch.

Even happier to be on Elbirn's because they seem to be scum in EVERY reasonably viable world I can come up with, and a few of the pretty non-reasonable ones to boot.

[Menalque]

If jjh is scum then mastina is prob a partner, but I TR mastina so willing to go with her on jjh for now

Also, the TL hop on was bad, but EP is still the lynch to make for today

VOTE: EP

mod, VLA until Wednesday evening pls

So y’all know I’m currently moving country

[Chemist1422]

Holy GOD that Jjh wagon was bad.

Scrap everything I said forever, or at least like, 90% of it.

Let's start with this. There

ARE

two scum in Elbirn-TL-EP-Mena

It seems most likely that those two are Elbirn-TL, because without any crazy VCA or so-called tinfoil theories, those two are the ones that have been acting the scummiest. I would like to see one of them dead today and will be happy to be on either one of their lynch.

Even happier to be on Elbirn's because they seem to be scum in EVERY reasonably viable world I can come up with, and a few of the pretty non-reasonable ones to boot.

Can you go into more detail about the worlds you have?

[Adorable]

Holy GOD that Jjh wagon was bad.

Scrap everything I said forever, or at least like, 90% of it.

Let's start with this. There

ARE

two scum in Elbirn-TL-EP-Mena

It seems most likely that those two are Elbirn-TL, because without any crazy VCA or so-called tinfoil theories, those two are the ones that have been acting the scummiest. I would like to see one of them dead today and will be happy to be on either one of their lynch.

Even happier to be on Elbirn's because they seem to be scum in EVERY reasonably viable world I can come up with, and a few of the pretty non-reasonable ones to boot.

Elbirn and TL have been voting each other from what I remember or did you think scum have been voting each other and switch votes to someone else?

[TiphaineDeath]

@Adorable They never seem to be voting each other when those votes would mean anything, if that makes sense. So I am, at least for now, trying to mostly disregard that fact.

@Chem Jjh-Elbirn-Mast vs Elbirn-(TL or maaaaybe EP, but prolly TL)-(????)

[Chemist1422]

TD, how’d you get from “Elbirn/TL/EP/Mena has 2 scum” to the only full team you have as jjh/Elbirn/mastina?

[TiphaineDeath]

If you'll look at my so-called Tinfoil post and what follows it I find the full reasonable team of Jjh-elbirn-mast.

It seems significantly more likely at this point that my new theory is correct but you asked for all my possible worlds.

[eth0s]

I am feeling really apathetic towards this game now. Can we just lynch elements thanks.

[eth0s]

Activity died so much (I know I'm at fault as much as anyone else here). My two top townreads are voting for someone that I don't want to lynch today. I feel like I won't have much to go off of until Day 3. I mean I could probably try and spark some discussion of my own but I honestly just don't care right now