Baton Pass [Game Over!]

[Goodies]

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Not much for me to really grab on to here.

I wasnt interested in Ceph talking about meta or people trying to get him to metaslip. Ceph is a very good to great player and can tailor his game to suit him best.

There was talk about games i dont know, so im not going to worry much about that because i dont really care about meta in the way that I think anyone is really going to be caught out so easily.

I also enjoy gay dance from time to time.

Hana not having reads is normal, but this isnt a normal game, so is normal normal or is normal not normal?

[Cephrir]

Someone who knows the deep cephlore... Are you called "goodies" because you're oldies? 0:

[Goodies]

Spoiler:

A few things I want to ask.

As someone who's never played with or even seen Nacho, what is Nacho like nine times out of ten?

I've also never played this set-up before, so I will ask this. Celestial, you mentioned that in order to win, the town needs 5 correct townreads mathematically. Until death, we'll never know the alignment of a player. How are we supposed to get 5 correct reads on players in a game as wild as Mafia, let alone, 5 correct Town reads? I only ask because that seems like a crazy win-condition to meet.

This doesnt make any sense. This is the same thing we have to do in like any game to win...

I feel like Wisdom is looking to pick a fight with RC.

Is that indicative of either of them for anything, or did you just feel like we all needed to see what you see?

Basically what RC is suggesting is that instead of passing based on our reads we use baton pass mechanic as a way of having 2 additional lynches.

I would think arguing for additional chances here would be a protown thing, non?

Even barring that, I've seen so many towns fall apart from focusing almost entirely on mechanics that I really can't stand behind strategies like this even if it's "optimal"

Do you think that someone arguing for a mech solve moving forward is more or less likely to be town?

Why do you feel the way you do?

Or similarly, have everyone give 3 ppl that they will not be passing.

I think this idea has some merit to it. Like if we can come to a bit of a consensus on who we don't like it would be easier to keep the baton away from them, and anyone who passed to them would come under scrutiny.

3 instead of 2 because fun reason

I like fun, it also helps us limit where the baton goes a little more because at some point someone is going to have to pass it to one of the 3.

i think we can agree on who passes to who and who is left out and lynch anyone who deviates from it.
if we can't do that because town are playing anti-town then this game is functionally unwinnable for town anyway.
this game is balanced off of the assumption that the day phases balance as 3 lynches.

I like to think that town would play to their wincon and wouldn't be chaos for the sake of chaos.

[Sakura Hana]

Hana not having reads is normal

HEY!
Funnily enough i know very very few people that know me and call me "Hana".

[Sakura Hana]

Also i dont think me not having / having reads is normal or abnormal, it depends a lot on the playerlist the game pace and on how obvtown ppl can spew themselves.
If you think this is normal behavior from me it means you've only seen me in games i've struggled to form reads.

[Celestial Coordinates]

I don't think this will be a hard game.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Shoshin is... really really really obviously scum to me.

I'm really not understanding how that is a non-consensus read. Like I understood why she was wrongly townread in our last game. She's just sorta obvscum in this one.

[Celestial Coordinates]

I think Cephrir/Shoshin is 2 scum a very significant majority of the time.

[Dannflor]

Was this read formed entirely after she tried to vote herself over you?

[Celestial Coordinates]

Was this read formed entirely after she tried to vote herself over you?

No, she was scum from very early on for her posts interacting with Cephrir and the way she developed her Wisdom read clinched it.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Was this read formed entirely after she tried to vote herself over you?

No, she was scum from very early on for her posts interacting with Cephrir and the way she developed her Wisdom read clinched it.

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

Is Shoshin similar to the other game you mentioned in magical girls u pick where she was scum and you were town and she won?

[Dannflor]

the way she developed her Wisdom read clinched it.

I town read the timing of this even though I didn't agree with the case itself. Why is it scum indicative?

[Celestial Coordinates]

Is Shoshin similar to the other game you mentioned in magical girls u pick where she was scum and you were town and she won?

On a surface level, she's very unlike that game and I think that she's intentionally trying to play unlike that game on a surface level.
In terms of what I'm reading here for, she's alike in the core sense that she's 'trying to imitate a meta' but it doesn't at all feel like something is actually there and it's all kind of a projection.

Like she's taking stances that she can justify to an extent but I don't think that they're actually how her reads would develop were she town and a lot of it feels like scum play in general.

[Celestial Coordinates]

the way she developed her Wisdom read clinched it.

I town read the timing of this even though I didn't agree with the case itself. Why is it scum indicative?

Because it's not town!Shoshin and I don't know how best to explain that outside of repeatedly referring to the fact that it's not town!Shoshin.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Also Cephrir/Shoshin's interactions are kinda transparently SvS interactions outside of the fact that I scumread them both individually. Kinda think Goodies is a third but a lot less sure of that one.

[Cephrir]

Oh good I see we're in for a good time here

Love it

[Cephrir]

I think you've just forgotten how to deal with players who dont worship you

[Celestial Coordinates]

I think you've just forgotten how to deal with players who dont worship you

Do you think that this is something Cephrir as town actually says here in reference to a read that has literally nothing to do with how he's interacted with me?

[Celestial Coordinates]

He's playing the field, he knows that there's a large amount of people in this game who will readily lap up accusations that my read on him is borne out of ego regardless of the relevance.
That's another reason that doesn't make sense to say as town by the way: if my read was borne out of an ego thing like he's claiming, why am I not going after one of the people who actually disrespected me?

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

I don't think Ceph/Shoshin are lynch pool material though. Pretty sure there are possibly better candidates unless RC wants to forcibly strong arm a Shoshin lynch. And I'm sort of not seeing the Shoshin scum right now.

[Celestial Coordinates]

I don't think Ceph/Shoshin are lynch pool material though. Pretty sure there are possibly better candidates unless RC wants to forcibly strong arm a Shoshin lynch. And I'm sort of not seeing the Shoshin scum right now.

No one saw Shoshin scum last game and yet she was scum. She's a lot better of a scum player than you give her credit for and I've caught her as scum every game she was scum.

[Celestial Coordinates]

I don't think Ceph/Shoshin are lynch pool material though. Pretty sure there are possibly better candidates unless RC wants to forcibly strong arm a Shoshin lynch. And I'm sort of not seeing the Shoshin scum right now.

I mean, if you want to just go after a bunch of lynchbait who will flip town you can. There's nothing really scummy about Pmysterious and Gameplay isn't actually all that bad.
But they'll flip town and we'll be back here tomorrow.

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

I don't think Ceph/Shoshin are lynch pool material though. Pretty sure there are possibly better candidates unless RC wants to forcibly strong arm a Shoshin lynch. And I'm sort of not seeing the Shoshin scum right now.

No one saw Shoshin scum last game and yet she was scum. She's a lot better of a scum player than you give her credit for and I've caught her as scum every game she was scum.

ima talk to GIF about this then

[Cephrir]

I can happily assure you I dont get along with egos under any circumstances