Mini Normal 2101 - Electronic Music Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Tchill13]

scum is not gonna loudly tunnel a different person every day phase that is a horrible strategy.

[Tchill13]

so basically if you explain yourself your town. FL and Skitter get to be town just because.

well i guess its a good thing you reminded me of yourself vork. now ik a "bad town" read could be in play for you.

Either way, Vork/FL dont need to be in lylo at this rate. Not sure if I can see a lot of town motivation in what vork has done anyway.

[Vorkuta]

Lines up with you just blindly following the "better" or "famous" players in a game

The push on you was independent of papa cowbells- I legit thought you were pulling a fast one with "i'm miller" "nvm im ascetic" and wanted to have both options open

Are you trying to make me lose respect for you?

I don't particularly care..?

its terrible. I'd advise you to make mistakes confidently and learn rather than be content to play like that any more.

idk I've made too many as town recently so I'm on a backseat I suppose
also I'm noticing that in quite a few games it's completely plausible for townies to just win on the coattails of other players so there's that as well

[Vorkuta]

scum is not gonna loudly tunnel a different person every day phase that is a horrible strategy.

You say "horrible", some people see "100% viable and optimal"

so basically if you explain yourself your town. FL and Skitter get to be town just because.

no.....?
are you putting words in my mouth, or is there a misunderstanding?

I'm not going to be able to read them on this day phase and that's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Tchill13]

A. So i was lynched for an honest mistake in getting miller/ascetic confused. Sounds about right.

B. Why even sign up if you're gonna ride coattails. It's completely plausible for town to lose b4 the game even begins if FL roles scum and theres enough players like you in the same game. Which is SUPER fun for townies that actually are confident in their ability but aren't on your fame list.

[Tchill13]

scum is not gonna loudly tunnel a different person every day phase that is a horrible strategy.

You say "horrible", some people see "100% viable and optimal"

so basically if you explain yourself your town. FL and Skitter get to be town just because.

no.....?
are you putting words in my mouth, or is there a misunderstanding?

I'm not going to be able to read them on this day phase and that's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

ok dont say "some"

YOU tell me the pros/cons of tunneling a seperate towny as scum every day phase. Tell me why some may view that as the way to play scum.

[Flubbernugget]

Do you specifically want vork to answer? Cuz I've got two off the top of my head that seem obvious

[Vorkuta]

B. Why even sign up if you're gonna ride coattails

You uhh... realize that you've inspired me to become more confident/independent and now I'm pushing you right?
Also depends on the game- with some games or players I feel like I can accomplish things.

YOU tell me the pros/cons of tunneling a seperate towny as scum every day phase. Tell me why some may view that as the way to play scum.

Isn't this..... like.... self-evident....?
This is quite a small game (8:3 I'm guessing? => D1: mislynch, N1: NK, D2: mislynch: N2: NK, D3: 4:3 LyLo) so it only has to be done twice.
You get absolved of all your responsibility, don't have to waste energy/braincells to come up with reads for other players as they're outside your tunnel, and have more bases covered. It's more optimal than the traditional "pretend to scumhunt, but not too badly" approach of blending in with town. And at the end of the day, you get your mislynch.


pedit
you tell em flubber

[Tchill13]

i mean why would claiming miller then claiming ascetic be a viable scum strat? its gonna cause attention.

THINK of the indirect consequences

of an action before you label it town or scum.

[Tchill13]

so youre telling me in lylo that slot thats been tunneling will probably survive said lylo?

[Flubbernugget]

You uhhh already hit the nail on the head

It makes townie noises w/o much effort, but also robb's stake in meta probs means he feels like he has to play like that as scum too

[Tchill13]

and idc what you do as long as you do it confidently. You're in the middle of a mistake rn. Mistakes are good. Learn from it post game.

why am i scum exactly Vork?

townie noises? how is tunneling townie?

[Vorkuta]

Ok tchill, yes you're an amazingly good player, you have immense knowledge of theory and a ton of experience,
I'm sorry I haven't had the fortune of playing with you more often enough to get completely intimidated by you and add you to my list of greats.

Can we get back to this game at hand and discuss mafia theory a bit later?
I'm quite content with my """"surface level reads"""" as I've outlined in my readlist before and I'm not capable of dedicating more braincells to consider more levels of depth and ripples

[Tchill13]

can anyone pushing robb determine what his scum tunneling looks like opposed to his town tunneling? because if you cant. his tunneling is NAI.

[Vorkuta]

so youre telling me in lylo that slot thats been tunneling will probably survive said lylo?

Considering lylo is tomorrow (9:2 are only newbie setups right...?) and NK'ing him is just dumb considering what amazing hypothetical lynchbait he is....
and there isn't/wasn't support for a wagon on him esp. given how no-one except for yours truly raised ANY objections to his D1 play....

Yes?

why am i scum exactly Vork?

*inhales*
*exhales*

[Tchill13]

explain your read on me if you want me to debate it. im giving up on your tunnel thing.

[Flubbernugget]

townie noises? how is tunneling townie?

It's easy to fatigue people into reading the tunnel participants as null/town

At least that's what happens to me

[Flubbernugget]

can anyone pushing robb determine what his scum tunneling looks like opposed to his town tunneling? because if you cant. his tunneling is NAI.

I will flat out admit I have no clue how to read Robb

[Tchill13]

B. Why even sign up if you're gonna ride coattails

You uhh... realize that you've inspired me to become more confident/independent and now I'm pushing you right?
Also depends on the game- with some games or players I feel like I can accomplish things.

YOU tell me the pros/cons of tunneling a seperate towny as scum every day phase. Tell me why some may view that as the way to play scum.

Isn't this..... like.... self-evident....?
This is quite a small game (8:3 I'm guessing? => D1: mislynch, N1: NK, D2: mislynch: N2: NK, D3: 4:3 LyLo) so it only has to be done twice.
You get absolved of all your responsibility, don't have to waste energy/braincells to come up with reads for other players as they're outside your tunnel, and have more bases covered. It's more optimal than the traditional "pretend to scumhunt, but not too badly" approach of blending in with town. And at the end of the day, you get your mislynch.


pedit
you tell em flubber

is it standard that 11p games have 3 scum? or are you just assuming scum have more than 2 ppl when its still a possibility.

[Flubbernugget]

Really doesn't matter

[Tchill13]

i mean thats another day phase of tunneling to incriminate robb . which makes them look worse in lylo.

which means they probably dont survive lylo. Of course i didnt know ppl just threw out TR's to tunnelers.

[Vorkuta]

Spoiler:

Ah robbvna has found his tunnel.

Everyone come and play its safe to post now. "shut up and go vla" was funny but rude lol.

holy shit you could be scumbuddies with him

Because that's not a good case.

"doesn't vote in first few posts. He has to be scum"

That's you turning nothing into something because you think you can read tonally.

garbage attempt to shade = reasons to mislynch

Nomnomnom is scum. That weak push on havo and now it looks like they're trying to get ahead of this lynch and say "I told you so" when azure flips green.

hate this

I'm not frustrated or Irratated btw.

I'm just eyerolling at the fact im getting deathtunneled and venge-voted by Robb and Luca, respectively.

If you honestly believe the wagon on me is town-driven, then even if I am a PR, you dont deserve the claim.

"I'm not frustrated"
"you don't deserve the claim"

Like please stop. You have 2 ppl here tunneling you and you're gonna punish the rest of town because you're... Annoyed. Very stupid.

Eh, azure might be scum after all if they refuse to claim this much.

I feel good about one scum in azure/nomnomnom.

I just feel like it's nomnomnom.

holier than thou attitude comes from cocky scum and not "spirit-of-the-game open-to-genuine-scumhunting" town

I can't remember anything about fallsoul.

That's new though. I'll try "I'm too good for you to catch me as scum" next time someone pushes me.

hate this as well

Hey everybody let's just wave the ego around because w all think we're strong scum players lol.

*inhales*
*exhales*

I skimmed the game and I liked robbs push. Mainly because I didn't see anything that looked town from you azure.

So you're just going to ignore my request? lol

I'll get to it eventually... Maybe... Yeah eventually.

sounds about right

Nomnom is yet to make a good point this game imo.

I disagree seeing I found myself in agreement with a few things that nom said but ok

Haha

So hateful.

Please, go hug your parents.

fuel to flame- escalation is not good town play IMHO

@scum

Please leave me in the game for the wifom.

I hate appeals like this

luca, absolutely nothing personal, but you really have no idea what scum me does in any given situation. So if you'd like to push me make a general case.

Not one based on me and my tendencies specifically.

I don't like your dismissal- too handwavey

I do agree that the Vort hammer felt kind of townie - after the self-vote I just assumed Azure was scum already, so I can understand quick-hammering there. Scum obviously would know she was flipping green and might have hesitated.

scum most likely hammer, chalk the wagon up to a stupid self voter and move along...

Scum want a flip to be green lol. Why would that cause hesitation????

So based on my exchange(s) with you, you clearly have an idea of what's "optimal play" for both sides, and anything that isn't optimal for one is automatically the other. This lack of nuance maybe why I dislike your posts and points so much

Ugh, I haven’t read completely, and the slowdown of the site messed with me.

I’m VT. I think I’m L-2, right?

Pushing me as “needs to get in here” is a bad reason because I’m an incredibly active scum player, and Havo has seen me as scum.

self meta is BS. anyone can try something new.

counter: "why fix what isn't broken"

as of right now vork is more dead weight than any player in this game who's inactive because he keeps talking about how bad he is as town and he even mentioned skitter/leaf being "Gods" of some sort. talked as if he couldnt even touch them.

not happy with vork or flavor at all.

i love you too

Also for robb who complained that my "tchill's ISO is bad" post was too vague or whatever

[Tchill13]

how should i defend robb here if im town and i think hes town?

[Tchill13]

"holier than though" i TR'd azure obv and was getting mad she was punishing other townies out of pure ego and rage.

[Vorkuta]

I will flat out admit I have no clue how to read Robb

Hence my 40% policy "insistence" as he is probably a bigger Lylo liability than all of us put together.

is it standard that 11p games have 3 scum? or are you just assuming scum have more than 2 ppl when its still a possibility.

I don't have many 11 player games under my belt so I'm just spit-balling- The 8:3 setup helps my point (scum only has to deathtunnel twice) and I'm assuming that the numbers are balanced by townPR power

english wtf

Of course i didnt know ppl just threw out TR's to tunnelers.

based on my read and re-read of the beginning of D2.... yeah robb's kind of getting a free pass