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[Tchill13]

Ooh that didn't take long to get away from the azure action.

I'd like to actually lynch scum if I think ik who scum is d1.

Usually I don't ever have an idea of who scum is. You look like scum nomnomnom.

That's probably a bad sign considering I have a tendency of deepwolfing the good majority of my scum games

I'd like to ask you what you think of Fallsoul, since I already know what you think of Havo.

I can't remember anything about fallsoul.

That's new though. I'll try "I'm too good for you to catch me as scum" next time someone pushes me.

this is a reasonable response. dude pretty much said he's too good to be caught as scum. "deepwolfing"

[Tchill13]

i see a large majority of me being scum is due to my interactions with nom and azure.

you realize that nk incriminates me specifically right?

now explain "nuance". You said i lacked it.

[Tchill13]

in terms of meta manipulation: "why fix what isnt broken"... SMH. you just admitted you assumed a 3p scum team because it benefits your robb push. You're also assuming he plays into his meta because it benefits your argument.

[Tchill13]

any point i make about how obvious something should or shouldnt be to defend my play will in turn be met with it being called self meta.

it should just be obvious someone isnt gonna defend their scum buddy in the way im defending robb. ive got experience with the guy. i think hes town.

now vork needs to tell me the difference between robbs town and scum tunneling if he thinks im scum with robb.

[Vorkuta]

"holier than thou

gh

" i TR'd azure obv and was getting mad she was punishing other townies out of pure ego and rage.

and I am judging your reaction to her behavior and believe that you can afford yourself the luxury of getting mad... because you're scum- at the time it seemed meh, but upon her greenflip it seems slightly worse
or she hit your teammates and you were concerned for half a second

this is a reasonable response. dude pretty much said he's too good to be caught as scum. "deepwolfing"

sounds kind of right
nom x3 is quite often killed off very early as town
and is allowed to stay quite late as scum (case in point this game lawl)
in fact that very experience is why I voted them as my opening

you realize that nk incriminates me specifically right?

you're trying to convince me that the scum team went into their PT and found the best way to incriminate tchill and tchill alone?
weren't you the one telling people to tone down their egos?

now explain "nuance". You said i lacked it.

once again:
you have very fixed/rigid opinions on what constitutes optimal play as either alignment, and you're very quick to say "this play is suboptimal for one alignment, hence it absolutely comes from the other

join me on my crusade to rope them

".
This lack of flexibility and taking into account players/situations/conditions/environment/gamestate is the lack of nuance that I'm accusing you of
I could also say you're stubborn, but that's not the right word

and is insulting

in terms of meta manipulation: "why fix what isnt broken"... SMH

can you be more condescending?
This is self-evident to me

you just admitted you assumed a 3p scum team because it benefits your robb push

.........
*something about lack of nuance*
It could very well be a 9:2, and then robb would have to death tunnel 3 whole times, and be ignored/dismissed with every single day.
I think it's 8:3, AND CONVENIENTLY ENOUGH, this strengthens my robb case

it should just be obvious someone isnt gonna defend their scum buddy in the way im defending robb. ive got experience with the guy. i think hes town.

oh my look at the self meta

here we can freely agree to disagree, and while it may hypothetically be possible for one of us to budge (maybe in a few more pages worth of walls), I don't share your meta/familiarity of robb.

now vork needs to tell me the difference between robbs town and scum tunneling if he thinks im scum with robb.

Oh I got this.
I INVOKE

heaven forbid i judge someone on their play alone in one game.

maybe in a game or two with him, I might get a taste and learn to develop the distinction.
with my (very limited as I have no shame in admitting) knowledge/experience, I'm going to say that was scum!tunneling
I could completely be wrong, but you wanted me to use that confidence thing so here goes.

[Tchill13]

ok.

[Tchill13]

i cant antagonize nomnomnom because hes already made your fame list i see. lol. Pointless. I have just wasted my time.

i was saying had I been a part of the scum team we'd be worried about NK'ing one of the 2 i said scum were for sure in.

not that scum are specifically out to get me.

you assume 3 or 2 days of tunneling gets no attention in lylo.

im just glad your making you own plays. no need for more discussion. You've made up your mind.

[Tchill13]

I still feel good about a FL/vork

Im not even sure i TR Robb. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy in using only his tunneling to SR him. Robb is null for me.

I guess skitter and PM are my stronger TR's.

[Tchill13]

The majority of rob's play D1 was an azure tunnel which deff doesn't ring town. Town does tunnel too so it's not lockscum but I wouldn't have much concern if a wagon sprung up here.

That being said their D2 play looks a little better

I thought tunneling was townie?

[Tchill13]

dont see much solving from flub.

[Tchill13]

I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

this is a good list given what happened d1 and the low content we have atm.

havo town.

[Vorkuta]

i cant antagonize nomnomnom because hes already made your fame list i see. lol. Pointless. I have just wasted my time.

Ok this is BS

How come I'm never allowed to use meta in either abstaining to read people or using it to form opinions
While you're invoking the ever living shit out of your familiarity with robb?

i was saying had I been a part of the scum team we'd be worried about NK'ing one of the 2 i said scum were for sure in.

tbh my experience of scum!PTs and NKs are:
scumplayer A: "hey let's kill random player X"
rest of the team: "yeah sure wtv"
and during DAY PLAY is when they try and make everyone else overthink the kill and all the potential consequences

you assume 3 or 2 days of tunneling gets no attention in lylo.

considering that this hasn't even been brought up
until 2 IRL days before Lylo
yes

im just glad your making you own plays. no need for more discussion. You've made up your mind.

thank you for making me a better player, I shall take this wisdom that you have bestowed upon me and continue to make poor plays and choices

Im not even sure i TR Robb. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy in using only his tunneling to SR him. Robb is null for me.

*inhales*
*exhales*
I swear that you're trying to have the best of both worlds in this exchange

I still feel good about a FL/vork

papa leaf would've spoonfed and coached the shit out of me

until he gives up and busses me

[Tchill13]

I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

i wanna add vork to this
not sure if flub should be in this
prob not pm either tbh

Well I wouldn’t argue with adding Vork, but a lynch pool of just Vork and Fall seems a bit weak to me.
I haven’t seen enough out of PM or or flub to feel they are town.

IF vork is scum havo could very well be the partner. have mixed feelings on vrok scum atm.

UNVOTE:

[Tchill13]

i was saying one of fl/vork being scum not that youre scum together.

i just need to be more clear.

[Flubbernugget]

The majority of rob's play D1 was an azure tunnel which deff doesn't ring town. Town does tunnel too so it's not lockscum but I wouldn't have much concern if a wagon sprung up here.

That being said their D2 play looks a little better

I thought tunneling was townie?

It's a cheap way to try to look town

[Tchill13]

vork im done with the exchange.

your Scum experience "lets just kill player x and explain it later" is bad justification for a scum team im involved with doing that.

[Tchill13]

The majority of rob's play D1 was an azure tunnel which deff doesn't ring town. Town does tunnel too so it's not lockscum but I wouldn't have much concern if a wagon sprung up here.

That being said their D2 play looks a little better

I thought tunneling was townie?

It's a cheap way to try to look town

ok. so ppl will keep an eye out for it. so its prob a bad strat as scum.

[Tchill13]

It would be nice if Vork would come post and give his thoughts.

Right now I don’t really feel any different, other than taking PM out of my lynch pool.

Vork, Fall and Flub.

I’d like to hear more from Tchill

I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

please give me updates on on:

skitter
Vork
Flavor

Skitter is town
Vork is probably scum
Flavor is being contrary.

havo is town for me today. worried he might be pocketing me but im not SR'ing him because he agrees with me that PM is town and Vork is scummy.

[PMysterious]

A lot of posts Tchill, but there's one major issue.

You did not answer my question. Dodging the question does not give me any reason to trust you. If you get the time, look through my ISO, find my question, and answer it. If not, then why should I trust you to be Town?

[Tchill13]

looks like fallsoul only interacted with nom and azure.

then the way FL placed in... def my top guess for scum.

[Tchill13]

A lot of posts Tchill, but there's one major issue.

You did not answer my question. Dodging the question does not give me any reason to trust you. If you get the time, look through my ISO, find my question, and answer it. If not, then why should I trust you to be Town?

I said youre beginning to come off as new town which changes my read of you.

[Tchill13]

newb town... i tried to be nicer but idk how to word it. i mean no disrespect either. i cant say new town your start date is 2012 lol. "surface lvl town" maybe. idk. It all sounds negative. Sorry.

[Tchill13]

there's no way that was an all-town wagon

i dont' like any of: vork, fallsoul, tchill

robb was being awful but in a way that i think is nai for him
i think tchill can prob read him better than i can but i'm not townreading tchill rn so i'm wary of trusting him

luca i actually kinda think is townie

i don' really have reads on the other people

this is one of the games where i have too many scumreads and don't have nearly enough townreads

i dislike both of them

Is there more than one post that pings you?

fallsoul's entire iso is awful
i don't like vork's intent yesterday
i don't actually inherently have a problem with the vote, i dislike the posturing that happened well before that

UNVOTE:
voteparking on someone who siteflaked probably isn't that helpful

i can vote vork i can think

i'm not really feeling the pm wagon rn
i kinda hate the way he's playing but i'm not sure it's actually scummy

I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

i wanna add vork to this
not sure if flub should be in this
prob not pm either tbh

I haven't played much in the past 2 years. I'm just now getting back into Mafia again. So, my playstyle may be a little different from before. It's been 7 years since then after all.

Outside of that, I can't really add a lot at the moment.

I'm not sure pm is scummy really ^

since all my town games?
As scum, I just have to pull stuff out of my backside and appease the crowd.
As town, my reads actually have to be.... you know... "correct" as pretending to do shit doesn't get me closer to my wincon

VOTE: tchill- reread his ISO, disagree with his D1 play, don't like his D2 pushes

i mean, am i supposed to read this as you trying to be 'correct' and not just you 'pulling stuff out of your backside'?

skitter looks great here too.

[Tchill13]

skitter/havo/tchill are all down for FL and/or vork being scum.

seems like we all TR PM also.

[Tchill13]

I don’t get the lack of interest in a PM lynch. His recent post was ok but overall then isn’t much that makes me feel like he is Town.

I would be willing to compromise on lynching any of the following: Slitter, Tchill, Flavor.

Vorkuta is probably Town due to the lack of action in the game while he’s been main wagon.

im def not interested in a pm lynch.

You said he needed rope earlier in the day. What’s changed?

This is a good question. What did change? It's not normal for someone to perform a complete 180 like that, let alone without any reason or rhyme. Again, like Flavor, Tchill never answered the question I had for him, which is a problem for me. A big problem.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Tchill

Again, why did you say several players needed rope without explaining it right then and there, and what is that explanation? I want to give you the benefit of a doubt, but I can't if you dodge the question.

ohhh. I dont feel the needd to explain everything. Occasionally reads. They usually just get attacked and the loudest voice wins. Didnt want to deal with luca questioning me either.