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[davesaz]

I could see someone who is actually doing things having Alonzo's attitude in 3029 but not really someone who isn't doing anything.
This is nothing like D1 in any case. Elements wasn't a lurker who had barely posted anything. The comparison is false.

[Hopkirk]

the comparison is that Elements was the easiest lynch yesterday

[Alonzo]

I could see someone who is actually doing things having Alonzo's attitude in 3029 but not really someone who isn't doing anything.
This is nothing like D1 in any case. Elements wasn't a lurker who had barely posted anything. The comparison is false.

Yes but despite elements tendancy to shit post, he had some other very towny' posts people conveniently overlooked day one

[Hopkirk]

Obvtown is way more than just a town read. I have lots of town reads of varying strength but practically no obvtown. In fact Carcalilly is probably the only one I'd call that.

I'm interpreting your votes as would lynch, given there is nothing more behind them. It's fair to ask where you said that, and I don't remember you using those words.
Why don't you actually case any of them?

- did it not strike you as odd that 'hopkirk has super obv town and obv town reads but no regular townreads'? If you're trying to understand my thought process then you're making odd assumptions here rather than thinking 'what does hipkirk mean'.

Of course it stuck me as odd, that's why I commented. I don't try to outguess people or assume the odd things they post are anything else but odd. I say what I think about them and see how they respond. The response is what tells me if the odd things are genuine or not.

Followup question: what purpose does putting obv on all your townreads serve? How does that help us understand you?

-that's a scumpool. Not a lynch pool.

I already covered that. But here's a followup question -- is your lynch pool not the same as your scum pool? I'd be surprised if it's not.

-if I case someone then I'll end up death tunneling them. I'll probably look through you and/or Aaron tonight are write more stuff.

You could start by giving an actual concrete reason for any of your reads. I'm not all that picky. It doesn't need to be elaborate. Just enough to show that you're actually thinking these things and not just making up a list that looks nice.

There's clearly no chance someone has 11 obvtown and no regular townreads. You're trying to overjustify that you thought that was 100% genuine when you know perfectly well that at least half of my posts in this game have at least some kind of joke in them. Do you think I'm actually a hydra too?

-Hop

My lynchpool would be 2-4 of those people narrowed down since it includes semi-nulls.

I could look at Aaron.

[Alonzo]

Garmr is town.

[Alonzo]

VOTE: tchill

[Hopkirk]

I'm not explaining why Hectic is super obvlocktown since he'll just get nightkilled.
When one of us gets nightkilled locktown the other one.
If neither of us get nightkilled we get an extra pair of masons in lylo.

[Alonzo]

Why did kop stop posting? Was he replaced?

[Hopkirk]

He went V/La for like 2 weeks and prod dodged after he got back. Looks like he's returning

[Carcalilly]

Dave has been so much better day 2

[Kop]

VOTE: tchill

Im not fully caught up, but why are you Voting for a claimed tracker? We fucked up and ended up lynching a claimed watcher which proved true.

Why are you voting for people who either vote for you or shout for your lynch?

[Hopkirk]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=33131
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=925
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=33131

I'm going to go with a nice townread on Aaron actually.

1950- scumgame finishing the same time this started. Aaron doesn't really give a read on anyone for 200 posts. Barely townreads anyone, scumreads aren't particulrly justified.
1949- Catch up is very similar to this game. Gives a lot of reads early on. Changes reads (two townreads for most of the game flip to scumreads)
1954- frequent reads

This game- catch up mirrors thought process in 1949. Mind changes frequently enough (excuse the formatting). Not afraid to give reads. The previous scumtopic (1950) that ended when this started makes me think Aaron wouldn't go into this as confidently as he did with the reads list. Some of the Ate earlier sounds legitimate.

Kop Town lean
Billy Slight Town
Cliff Null
Rick Scum Lean Votes (1465)
Sharon/Alonzo Null
Hectic Town lean 2378 scumreads when disappears
Eevee Scum lean 2586 votes
Gamme Town lean
Dredd Town
Elements Null 1467 aware of E's meta 1717 Elements or no lynch 1806 voted as didn't believe claim 2302 'typical elements'
Titus Null
Hopkirk Town lean 2214 dislikes PL
Rooster/GBG Null
Carcalilly Town
Garmr Null
Tchill Slight scum 1718 okay with Tchill lynch 2065 moves to null town
Dave Strong town
Profii Town
Bob Null 2378 scumreads?
YAG/Tex Null

What I disliked earlier
-Interactions with me: adjusting for distance/conf.bias and this can be playstyle clash.
-Interactions with Elements (saying he was voting him as no other option then adjusting to comment didn't like the claim. Mentioning this kind of play is expected from Elements and not seeming to factor it in).

Don't actually think Skellen would have subbed out as scum here either but that's very minor influence.

Fulls more aligned with towngame by a fair amount. What I disliked can be mitigated by personality.

[Hopkirk]

I assumed hide would work and when it didn't i used 'spoiler' instead. I'll have to check the actual code I guess.

-Hop

[Hopkirk]

There's never been a mafia that acts as a backup for town roles or vice versa to date in a normal.

I'm strongly in favour of leaving our T/BT/BW and so on to sort itself out as the game goes on.

[Hopkirk]

Well my internet is yoyoing at the moment.

VOTE: Kop

More after you catch up.

[Cliff Booth]

VOTE: tchill

"you morons are doing the same thing you did day 1"
*omgus votes tchill, doing what could very well be what we did on day 1"

the fuck is going on

[davesaz]

There's clearly no chance someone has 11 obvtown and no regular townreads. You're trying to overjustify that you thought that was 100% genuine when you know perfectly well that at least half of my posts in this game have at least some kind of joke in them. Do you think I'm actually a hydra too?

Where do you get overjustification?
Your reads list is rubbish, I'm calling that flat out. When you're asked to explain them, you just wave your hands.
I don't give a rat's ass about jokes. If anything they just muddy things when town play should be clear.

Give a reason for your reads.
VOTE: Hopkirk

I can play this behavior modification game right up until deadline if y'all want.

[Cliff Booth]

Dave I still think you bleed town but I can't vote garmr today. I might hop on that kirk wagon tho depending on if alonzo wants to start giving a shit or not

[Cliff Booth]

I need my buddy rick to tell me what is going on with alonzo

[Hopkirk]

There's clearly no chance someone has 11 obvtown and no regular townreads. You're trying to overjustify that you thought that was 100% genuine when you know perfectly well that at least half of my posts in this game have at least some kind of joke in them. Do you think I'm actually a hydra too?

Where do you get overjustification?
Your reads list is rubbish, I'm calling that flat out. When you're asked to explain them, you just wave your hands.
I don't give a rat's ass about jokes. If anything they just muddy things when town play should be clear.

Give a reason for your reads.
VOTE: Hopkirk

I can play this behavior modification game right up until deadline if y'all want.

Of course it stuck me as odd, that's why I commented. I don't try to outguess people or assume the odd things they post are anything else but odd. I say what I think about them and see how they respond. The response is what tells me if the odd things are genuine or not.

I don't buy that people reading to try and understand mindset think 'oh gee this guy is 90% town on half the game' and doesn't think that's odd. The justification you give here is piss poor.

Half the game isn't explaining reads right now. Am I the only one you've got a problem with? Why aren't you calling other people out on it too?

Which of my townreads do you disagree with?

[davesaz]

Explain your scumreads.

[Hopkirk]

To repost the list of my townreads:

Hectic- I've played over 600 hours of mafia with him, hydraded with him involving

long

irl talks, and read him right on every forum game we've played (~4). We can read each other. You're attacking him for inactivity which I can vouch for irl. Your scumread here is shitty as hell.

Carcalilly- Mason

Bob- I covered some stuff d1. You don't seem to disagree with this.

Garmr- He claimed. I townread him before then which I covered D1.

JJD- you say you townread him. I explain my townread day 1.
Cliff - I covered d1 after a fairly long interaction.
Gamma- he's dead actually which I got mixed up so let's ignore this one.
Rick- you say you townread him. I think I covered my read d1, but it's largely from other people's meta on him.
Billy- claim based townread at the moment.

What's so 'shit' about this list which you mostly agree with, and that I mostly covered beforehand?

[davesaz]

Is 3061 even for this game?
What's with all the blacked out spoiler?

[davesaz]

Explain your scumreads.

[Hopkirk]

My 'scumreads' (which I've already said is not a list of scum, it's a pool to look into and narrow down) has a pretty simple method behind it

Current playerlist
(Less people I townread)
(Less people who have pr stuff involved that means I don't want to vote there today)
(Less neutral players my scumreads are pushing enough that I'm leaving them for now)- I think there's 2 in this category