Open 768: C9++ [GAME OVER]

[teacher]

yoink

[skitter30]

but this whole thing reads like you decided you were going to behave ~mysteriously~ and when someone reacted in a way that you found scummy you were going to push them

This is actually a fairly accurate interpretation of my intentions, yes.

here you go ^^^

I got to this point in my read-through. And I agree with your response to this, finding Bingle's methodology to be scummy, in 591 -- it strikes me as a way to appear to be solvey (rx testing and all) without giving out info. But one issue that stuck in my craw about 591 is the quote above - why would scum!Bingle agree with your read on his approach? Like, that gives you some towncred for getting mentality, and it paints his own actions in a worse light, no?

i don't think he particularly cared at that point how he was being perceived; if he did i don't think this whole obfuscating reaction thing would be his approach to the game

[Nibbui]

btw i was re:reading the last pages of this convo and my negative feelings about teacher didn't change much

Care to elaborate them?

if i mini-case you rn it's gonna distract from egix/wicked thing

maybe later

You dont think the last five or so pages havent done that already? Come on, if youre going to throw shade, back it up.

and it's gonna distract more?

i think i need to stop being the one to start casing/pushing people bc otherwise everyone will just echo/regurgitate most of my arguments and i'll not be able to see townie the thought process in forming the read.

i'm not gonna forget this, i'll eventually talk about it in some point prob

[skitter30]

his whiteknighting on skitt is icky

@Skit, this is somewhat of what Im talking about with your buddying comments. Like I think Mena and I have similar affection/melds/mentions of you throughout the game, but you call out me for buddying several times and not him (other than once IIRC). Maybe I just notice it more when its directed at me, but it feels like thats something you fall back on alot when it comes to me, and dont do as much with other players.

it's not just you, i get paranoid when anyone does it :/

[teacher]

it's about time i made a readlist but i don't have enough town leans for that

rn i have skitt and emps and that's it

more confident on emps than in skitt

emperor

i correctly identified emperor as town very early in a mildly recent town game and i read quite a bit of his games

you can put a bit of trust in this read of mine

i would like, whiteknight emperor here probably but it's very very different

Also, since Ive seen plenty of people give Emps TRs, and I know youve retracted yours, but this set me off a bit. Can you actually talk about your emps methodology?

[teacher]

btw i was re:reading the last pages of this convo and my negative feelings about teacher didn't change much

Care to elaborate them?

if i mini-case you rn it's gonna distract from egix/wicked thing

maybe later

You dont think the last five or so pages havent done that already? Come on, if youre going to throw shade, back it up.

and it's gonna distract more?

i think i need to stop being the one to start casing/pushing people bc otherwise everyone will just echo/regurgitate most of my arguments and i'll not be able to see townie the thought process in forming the read.

i'm not gonna forget this, i'll eventually talk about it in some point prob

yawn....baseless shade ... yawn.

[Nibbui]

ok i can talk about emps

but what do you mean specifically?

[teacher]

quick check-in here:

I'm not keen on outing how i read emps in too much detail here

in the probably most recent "Hope plus one" game, i was playing with fumuki and to try solving the game i had basically read almost all his past games up until that date.

i'll try to give some vague knowledge about his meta or maybe explain without meta why he might be town but i'm not interested in revealing my ~secrets~ on him if there is no danger of him being lynched (and i don't think there is).

Basically I want you to retract this and actually explain why he was your one confident town lean 20 pages in?

[Nibbui]

yawn....baseless shade ... yawn.

yeah

if i ever feel like lynching you you'll see how baseless it is :' )))

[Nibbui]

quick check-in here:

I'm not keen on outing how i read emps in too much detail here

in the probably most recent "Hope plus one" game, i was playing with fumuki and to try solving the game i had basically read almost all his past games up until that date.

i'll try to give some vague knowledge about his meta or maybe explain without meta why he might be town but i'm not interested in revealing my ~secrets~ on him if there is no danger of him being lynched (and i don't think there is).

Basically I want you to retract this and actually explain why he was your one confident town lean 20 pages in?

Hmmm, i'm pretty sure i've already explained this?

i'm gonna grab it in my ISO + see if you should already have read it at this point

[teacher]

yawn....baseless shade ... yawn.

yeah

if i ever feel like lynching you you'll see how baseless it is :' )))

Im pretty tough to lynch. Only been MLed three times, and two of them I elected to do it to try to save/steer town. Have at it. Now stop distracting from your posturing. Its not like this is helping the wicked/egix things, so why not?

[teacher]

quick check-in here:

I'm not keen on outing how i read emps in too much detail here

in the probably most recent "Hope plus one" game, i was playing with fumuki and to try solving the game i had basically read almost all his past games up until that date.

i'll try to give some vague knowledge about his meta or maybe explain without meta why he might be town but i'm not interested in revealing my ~secrets~ on him if there is no danger of him being lynched (and i don't think there is).

Basically I want you to retract this and actually explain why he was your one confident town lean 20 pages in?

Hmmm, i'm pretty sure i've already explained this?

i'm gonna grab it in my ISO + see if you should already have read it at this point

GL, its three pages long

[Nibbui]

Nibbui, can you explain why Emps was your strongest town read at this point?

Nibbui's Convenient Guide to Read Emps (But He Actually Doesn't Show How to Read Emps for Real)

Emps AI posts begin here:

Got any reads flipperz?

also its pages 7 so no, not really

Well i want to keep Bingle around for the mean time. Other than that i dont really have a feeling towards anyone

Mmm i think i like Nib too

First he doesn't say anything about reads when asked, newbie!Emps wouldn't do that bc he would feel like he had to give any kind of thought but nowadays he might just say "no, bye" as scum. Anyway, He shots down the engaging for reads but when asked again he gives Bingle as good enough, the important thing imo is that he takes more 5 minutes to say "mmm, Nibbui too". He actually was reading the thread and a new lean sprouted up, I don't think scum!emps is likely to read the thread at all and even if he was to read to try fabricating something, he would prob stop at the first "lean" and think it was "good enough, now bye".

He also comes back to quote a old question of his that hadn't being answered and i think scum!emps would either lurk out, or post something more "actual page" than trying to follow his line of thought:

Spoiler:

VOTE: norwegianboyEE

Since teacher isn’t around for me to harass him

Also doesn’t feel like a bad vote even tho I haven’t re-read his iso

Also, also why is there 4 votes on Ducky?

VOTE: norwegianboyEE

Since teacher isn’t around for me to harass him

Also doesn’t feel like a bad vote even tho I haven’t re-read his iso

Also, also why is there 4 votes on Ducky

?

There's other more meta'ish reasons but for now I think this is good enough. It's also not considering posts after i said he was my town read for consistency sake.

[Nibbui]

yawn....baseless shade ... yawn.

yeah

if i ever feel like lynching you you'll see how baseless it is :' )))

Im pretty tough to lynch. Only been MLed three times, and two of them I elected to do it to try to save/steer town. Have at it.

Now stop distracting from your posturing

. Its not like this is helping the wicked/egix things, so why not?

VOTE: teacher

[Nibbui]

There's no reason whatsoever for you think that i would be throwing "baseless shade" without explanation instead of inventing some bs explanation btw

[teacher]

@2062

Thanks. I can jive with that.

UNVOTE:

PEDIT: Want to include a case with that vote?

[teacher]

There's also no reason whatsoever to refuse to engage.

[Nibbui]

do you think that someone you supposedly town read not wanting to case you to scum hunt elsewhere is worth of being called "posturing"?

I think as town that was town reading me you would actually want to engage with my reads/cases on my other slots instead of wanting me to talk about you. I'm currently waiting for you to go *look at* those request that you said you would answer

[Nibbui]

the fact that instead of looking at the request you yourself solicited before to get a general idea of what to look at in the game, you simply went straight to re:read the game is also v v weak indicative that you asked for those requests to where look at without real thought behind like "figuring what it would be worth paying attention while reading the game thread"

but this is weak sauce, i'll talk about what i think are the scummiest point about you rn

[teacher]

This post also felt weird to me for some reason. It's the reason why I was asking him about his skitter read earlier.

And I answered your question. But you never answered 353's last question that I recall. You said you would in 355 after I answered. I answered in 381, but then you never come back to it that I saw in a quick ISO skim?

[teacher]

the fact that instead of looking at the request you yourself solicited before to get a general idea of what to look at in the game, you simply went straight to re:read the game is also v v weak indicative that you asked for those requests to where look at without real thought behind like "figuring what it would be worth paying attention while reading the game thread"

but this is weak sauce, i'll talk about what i think are the scummiest point about you rn

I didnt recall getting any answers during my mobile skim. Thats part of why I was frustrated with people not engaging w/ me. You think ppl did? BRB to check.

[teacher]

I will be playing all evening so leave me anything you want me to address while I try to resort this thread.

a rundown in my egix and wicked cases sounds good for starters

especially wicked's one.

If this is what you are suggesting, I thought I had already commented on the Egix case - that I found it logical. And I went back to get a better read on you, because that colors how open I am to your cases, since it allows me to see and react to the posts in real time, and then see if Im melding with your thought process as well. So I dont get the complaint at all.

[teacher]

As of page 31, my duck-norway-wicked solve is feeling pretty good. 4.5 hours is all Im willing to do in one sitting. Im gonna collect my questions in one post and commit to doing another reread from here on tomorrow.

[teacher]

(and I am aware that duck got townier later, but wanted to record my thoughts).

[Nibbui]

You said you couldn't really read my slot but as soon as you started reading the game + i called you out for it you said you did town read me. what made you not town read me when you were only ~skimming~ the game? i don't think you were that clueless as to not know what my posts were like, so the fact that you apparently read the early game, didn't feel anything about my slot, but later in the re:read you call me town. i feel like my point on you trying to use me as a way to engage the thread/other people and look gamesolvy while it wasn't easy to come to a conclusion in your own is p valid.

You seem also town reading skitt mostly for mindmelding, and even though she already faked as scum the "i think you're buddying me here" thing w/ you + is town reading menalque interactions that can see as buddying, you don't seem to have any sus about her.

In the "she already did this 3 times" you seem to talk as if you know as a fact that she is town and that only would make sense if you're at least almost 100% that skitt is town here

but why are you so confident in the first place when you've already seen her scum game and know this isn't out of limits to scum!her?

tr her from mindmeld alone seems p weak sauce