Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[Joey_]

You're asking me to find out what's scummy about my own posts? I might not be the best player, but that doesn't mean i'm not self-conscious. And i don't see what's scummy about my own posts. If you really want me to spend time criticizing myself then all i can say is that i regret trusting Titus on the day 1 wagon against Mutant and i also should have been more active when i was nominated, but in the end it worked out well didn't it?

Hm what, I asked you to re-explain basically your point because you mentioned a lot of stuff I did and implied I was mafia yet didn't show your thought process.
So what makes me scum about the whole ordeal?

[Sujimichi]

It was a tunnel-visioned push at the end of the day.

We were locked into lynching one of three players, and I gave my reasoning for reading each as I did. I interacted with my scum read, determined that my read was accurate, and voted there. This was not at the end of day. I then asked two people who weren't voting to vote my scum read.

To describe my actions as a tunnel-visioned push at the end of the day is disingenuous at best.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Awoo
To sum it up, your posts on D2 were mostly shading Titus for playing badly, while at the same time townreading her. Which I've shown examples of you doing.
But you still insisted on voting for me. I'm basing this on the nomination pool being TvTvS, so that makes your slot objectively scummy. I think the reason you spent the beginning of this day arguing for a nomination pool with multiple scum is because you were aware of this flip making you look bad.
I don't have time to evaluate your entire thought process, but based on what i remember you doing, it seems entirely possible that you are scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i meant to adress post 977 to @Joey, not @Awoo
My bad.

[Creature]

I still can see Norwegian vs Titus being SvS, but I'm probably going to vote someone I was deprived from voting yesterday.

[Joey_]

"To sum it up, your posts on D2 were mostly shading Titus for playing badly, while at the same time townreading her. Which I've shown examples of you doing."

I discredited her play but I said i thought she was town, hence I wasn't shading her alignement but her content. It might sounds incoherent but it isn't; content and alignement aren't the same thing

"But you still insisted on voting for me. I'm basing this on the nomination pool being TvTvS, so that makes your slot objectively scummy."

What is "objectively scummy" in voting you? From your pov, why is being wrong scummy? Mafia isn't about face-value behavior but the intent. What was my intent in trying to lynch you? thats where you should look at, not if I was wrong or not. My intention was to damage control and remove you from the table because of your hammer + lack of content. Don't you think this though process could come from town?

"I think the reason you spent the beginning of this day arguing for a nomination pool with multiple scum is because you were aware of this flip making you look bad. "

Confirmation biais since its not a new take, i said many times that It might be SvSvS troughout d2. This would mean that I would have time to posturize myself better and not look bad (if that was the whole point of the SvSvS talk) so that argument is void

[pisskop]

pm isn't a bad Lynch either i guess, just going off gut

[Creature]

VOTE: Joey

Joey town?

[Creature]

Hey what do we do?

If you think I am town, vote Correspondence

Nah, still want to see someone actually for that slot.

Why are they bad?

Because we have TvTvT wagons?

If we have t v t v t wagons, Correspondence is still the best vote because he isn't playing. He's posting just enough to avoid attention/replacement. If two are locktown and three options well...

GuiltyLion town

[Creature]

guess I'm not gonna try to read Titus associatives anymore

[pisskop]

she's not dumb she's a risktaker.

and, i say at risk of being made a fool in the near future, predictable. :p

[PMysterious]

@PM
You haven't said a word about my slot yet you said I was one of your recent scumread.
Considering my change of tone, the development from menalque/nEE votes and Awoo shading on my slot, t's odd to me that you have nothing to comment

Also your take on nEE's comment, I am the one who got my emotions out of control, not him.

Well, either way, emotions cause people to do things they don't tend to do.

While yes, you are one of my scumreads, it's because you dodged the questions I asked you. If you are willing to go back and answer those questions, I'll be lenient.

[Joey_]

@PM
You haven't said a word about my slot yet you said I was one of your recent scumread.
Considering my change of tone, the development from menalque/nEE votes and Awoo shading on my slot, t's odd to me that you have nothing to comment

Also your take on nEE's comment, I am the one who got my emotions out of control, not him.

Well, either way, emotions cause people to do things they don't tend to do.

While yes, you are one of my scumreads, it's because you dodged the questions I asked you. If you are willing to go back and answer those questions, I'll be lenient.

Nothing was dodged, it was addressed twice over (and now the 3rd time). If I ask you to cite me the bible et you refuse to do so, are you dodging my question?

[Sujimichi]

Joey, can you outline why you think PM is town? I don't think my interacting with him is going to produce anything useful.

[Awoo]

^ We're literally all waiting on this, btw.

[Joey_]

I showed my reads can fail (even if I knew a priori that my titus meta sucked) so y'all should reread the game yourself and find more than one scumread

I have an exam tomorrow morning hence why I didn't take the time to make my towncase.
Basically it's tone & content from meta, simple. I played with him a long time ago and IIRC his slot was abysmal and scum while this game he's able to show his thought process, has decent unique thoughts and is coherent within his own process (even if I disagree with a lot of stuff). My plan was to search the last game we played and his recents scum game so I can do some diggin

@PM can you link me your most recent scumgame

[Joey_]

Also, from a langage perspective, I remember PM being extremely erased and having absolutely not self confidence whatsoever in the scum game we played.
This game, he's using wording that implies he's in a position of power; see "lenient" he used in 986. This most likely also means that he very much prefer to play town than scum (assumption)

[Awoo]

Okay... so if PM is town, then you're the alternative.

What's your preferred lynch then since it wouldn't be you?

[pisskop]

hmmmmm

[Awoo]

hmmmmm

shhh let him answer

[Joey_]

Okay... so if PM is town, then you're the alternative.

What's your preferred lynch then since it wouldn't be you?

Why the dichotomy?

[Joey_]

Again, why am I put in a position where I would need to defend myself, y'all opinion are pretty fucking weak

Menalque "case" is basically bad associatives w/ Titus (while contradicting his early reads
nEE "case" is nothing; I am mafia for being pissed-off & trying to lynch them (aka omgus)
Awoo has been shading me, have not outed a single piece of content explaining/justifying while I would be 2nd lynch option

[Awoo]

Cool. Who mafia?

[Joey_]

not me & dk yet since didn't reread yet regardless i won't let it pass if I am being shaded for shits and giggles. Exclusively townhunting early game is also extensively portrayed in my town meta

[Joey_]

Okay... so if PM is town, then you're the alternative.

What's your preferred lynch then since it wouldn't be you?

Why the dichotomy?