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[Cliff Booth]

@Profii - what the fuck are you waiting on here? I cant see any scum motivation in what you're doing, but its sure as hell weird.

I'm not hammering until we know why cliff didnt pursue a guilty yesterday?

I will respect this, and will delay my self-hammer for .. what? 6 more hours??


Naaaah. As much as I hate to disappoint profii here, a promise is a promise, and when even guys like dave side by scum the town deserves to be punished for it's stupidity.

VOTE: JJD

P.S. Lynch texcat too. She can't get to LyLo. And if I had multiple Vig shots I would have shot every single one who voted me.

That's two self-hammers in 3 days. The wiki says self-hammering is never a good idea as town, but hey, we can't always play optimally in the face of emotions, so all is forgiven.
So Cliff dies tomorrow because he can't coexist with town!JJD's role?

the way this is written feel really awkward...

[Hectic]

I'm seriously getting to a point where I'm going to start blacklisting people who self-hammer as town, because it happens way to fucking often. So if by some miracle JJD isn't scum I'm gonna be pissed.

But yeah I can't see him flipping town here. Self-hammering this early in the day when he knows he's not escaping a lynch is 100% a scum move.

Lul, tell me about it. Though I've accepted it's just part of the game since emotions are a big part of mafia.
You think it's 100% a scum move despite experiencing first hand many town self-hammers in your time? The one in the Normal was 10 days short btw.
The oxford dictionary wiki labels this as contradictory.
That's kind of odd, Aaron, my friend.

[Hectic]

what is it with people self hammering. Your not dead until your lynched and if you know your town how is lynching you self playign to your win condition.


Was still pleanty of debate to be had. Any one hammerign woudl ahve been tehre scum claim

Classic case of Typo-Fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva here.
Check the NHS wiki if you don't believe me.

The ridiculous amount of typos and errors here make this passion fueled post very towny.
Good job, Bob.

[Hectic]

I like Bob's thoughts on page 153.
The double scum theory is interesting, since they were both suspects coming into this day, right?
Don't find it likely, but soemthing we shouldn't rule it.

[AaronFrost]

I'm seriously getting to a point where I'm going to start blacklisting people who self-hammer as town, because it happens way to fucking often. So if by some miracle JJD isn't scum I'm gonna be pissed.

But yeah I can't see him flipping town here. Self-hammering this early in the day when he knows he's not escaping a lynch is 100% a scum move.

Lul, tell me about it. Though I've accepted it's just part of the game since emotions are a big part of mafia.
You think it's 100% a scum move despite experiencing first hand many town self-hammers in your time? The one in the Normal was 10 days short btw.
The oxford dictionary wiki labels this as contradictory.
That's kind of odd, Aaron, my friend.

JJD/A50's self hammer here is a scum move.

When Billy has questions he wants answered from Cliff, and other players are asking for more time to analyze the situation, scum don't want the opportunity for that to happen, especially when he probably knew he wasn't gonna escape the lynch today. The self hammer in Normal 2099 was just a dumb townie digging himself a hole he couldn't get out of.

[Cliff Booth]

Lets make some useful discussion in twilight to spite him and his decision then

[Cliff Booth]

based on the way this game has been going it's gonna be a long twilight

[Cliff Booth]

I still don't understand why alonzo claimed to be a doctor at twilight.

[AaronFrost]

Probably a long night too.

PEDIT: Last minute attempt to save his ass maybe? That's all I can think of

[Hectic]

I see what you mean, Aaron.
I like your post if JJD flips town. Neutral if he flips scum.

[AaronFrost]

Also D3 is about to end before we get a Tchill replacement and we still don't know if they have any results.

[Hectic]

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention.
My Suvrivor wincon turns into a Jester wincon at twilight. At least that's how I think the role works if I'm reading it correctly.
The dole's not actually found on the wiki, so I'll ask LUV some more questions about it.
So if you guys wagon me real quick, that'd be real cool of you all. We'll probably have a few days to do it.

[Hectic]

I still don't understand why alonzo claimed to be a doctor at twilight.

Was this during day 2 twilight?
What was the reason he gave?

[Carcalilly]

y'all screwed up

cliff, why are you confirming town if it goes against your wincon?

[Hectic]

oh ok! we still found like, one scum guys. we'll be fine

I've read about this role called "Lyncher" on the mafia universe wiki. A possibility to be sure, but a welcome one.

[profii]

If you dont think you made your crumb obvious Cliff, you didnt really blink when I specifically asked you about JJD and Billy in one post

Surely you should have thought I was on to you and you could have suggested we push JJD at that point - I was essentially asking if you got the same or different results on the 2 slots so we can assume a guilty

I am quite paranoid that you thought your role was a negative utility because it's going to be scum simple fruit vendor and you thought it was role madness

However, Billy's claim of VT has just given you the opportunity to trade 1 for 1 on your n1 target which happens to be JJD, unlucky for him


On the other hand, it's probably paranoia as I wouldn't expect JJD to flip self hammer, so I can only assume that's to kill the day and stop us co-ordinating moves


I mean we dont even have our tracker so if he turns up and has to pick a track we probably want to help him catch up right

[Cliff Booth]

y'all screwed up

cliff, why are you confirming town if it goes against your wincon?

how much headache medicine did you take

[Cliff Booth]

If you dont think you made your crumb obvious Cliff, you didnt really blink when I specifically asked you about JJD and Billy in one post

well I didn't know what you thought my role was, and also had to take in account the possibility that you were just coincidentally talking about them because they are 2 of the few people I had said much about recently. plus you're better than a lot of other people at finding crumbs -- pointing them out was more of a security measure and claim to all than anything else. I don't really understand what your point is here.

Surely you should have thought I was on to you and you could have suggested we push JJD at that point - I was essentially asking if you got the same or different results on the 2 slots so we can assume a guilty

Still not sure what your point is. I pursued him. And as stated above I was not sure of your angle.

I am quite paranoid that you thought your role was a negative utility because it's going to be scum simple fruit vendor and you thought it was role madness

Nah. But I still don't feel like talking about that situation since jjd prevented me from getting any relevant info to help me out there. I'd also rather not be nightkilled.

However, Billy's claim of VT has just given you the opportunity to trade 1 for 1 on your n1 target which happens to be JJD, unlucky for him

Still incredibly confused. Are you saying you think jjd is flipping green?

On the other hand, it's probably paranoia as I wouldn't expect JJD to flip self hammer, so I can only assume that's to kill the day and stop us co-ordinating moves

To flip town I assume you mean? I highly doubt he is flipping town but he did say something that makes me wonder if I fucked up.

I mean we dont even have our tracker so if he turns up and has to pick a track we probably want to help him catch up right

yes

[profii]

If you are a loyal fruit vendor he is flipping scum

Past that it's all just paranoia

[Billy Pilgrim]

@Profii - what the fuck are you waiting on here? I cant see any scum motivation in what you're doing, but its sure as hell weird.

I'm not hammering until we know why cliff didnt pursue a guilty yesterday?

I will respect this, and will delay my self-hammer for .. what? 6 more hours??


Naaaah. As much as I hate to disappoint profii here, a promise is a promise, and when even guys like dave side by scum the town deserves to be punished for it's stupidity.

VOTE: JJD

P.S. Lynch texcat too. She can't get to LyLo. And if I had multiple Vig shots I would have shot every single one who voted me.

That's two self-hammers in 3 days. The wiki says self-hammering is never a good idea as town, but hey, we can't always play optimally in the face of emotions, so all is forgiven.
So Cliff dies tomorrow because he can't coexist with town!JJD's role?

Not the way the claim went down. Cliff is trying to walk this back now, and I swear to God he eats rope if this is a green flip.

[Billy Pilgrim]

what i dont get is why jJD says billy is never scum.

If he is tellign teh truth about being a disloyal simple fruitvendor

Then wouldnt cliff beign fruit vendor prevent the action goign through due to not being a goon or vt

If billy is saying he got fruit and noone else is claiming to have done so.

Then for cliff to be scum billy has to be scum if JJD is a town disloyal simple fruit vendor

If Cliff is a loyal scum fruit vendor then I'm definitely scum. If hes a scum fruit vendor w/o any loyal/disloyal modifiers then I could have (and this would be the case if JJD flips green) fallen for his gambit to get JJD lynched.

[Billy Pilgrim]

@hectic - that's an alt slip from JJD.

I dont like that both Cliff and JJD are both calling me conf town.

I mean I sent you fruit and my role pm explicitly states that you only receive it as town so

You make more sense than JJD based on your claim. JJD is triggering my paranoia.

[Cliff Booth]

If you are a loyal fruit vendor he is flipping scum

Past that it's all just paranoia

he claimed at least 10 roles this game. at least 4 different variations near the end. he could be ascetic.
he could have been jailed/rolestopped night 1
i could have been jailed/roleblocked night 1
there are other weird things that could affect it
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[Cliff Booth]

Here's what important and I don't give a shit who believes me or not but let it be known.
I am TOWN
I am a LOYAL FRUIT VENDOR
Billy is TOWN barring very unlikely scenarios that could influence this
RD LIED about there being no loyal modifiers

[Billy Pilgrim]

y'all screwed up

cliff, why are you confirming town if it goes against your wincon?

Honestly if hes a scum regular fruit vendor then I'm not confirmed. He gets 2 townies for one scum (himself). I'm also not sure we got this wrong. JJD missed my crumb, and it was a pretty big one for someone with his aptitude for crumbspotting to miss.

We may have messed this up. Folks if I die tonight its scum trying to steer you away from Cliff. Powerlynch that shit tomorrow.