Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

Flubbernugget · Post Post #25 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:16 am

The fuck dude

Flubbernugget · Post Post #26 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:16 am

VOTE: something smart

ISO · Post Post #27 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:17 am

Lol. What for?

You know scum governor getting to LYLO is an instant scum win right?

Kerset · Post Post #28 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:21 am

Draft choice is such huge source of information. With double role pick {8,9,10,11} are able to find out which roles were taken by top players. It's obv that both {9,10} are scum.
VOTE: Aaron

skitter30 · Post Post #29 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:22 am

In post 27, Something_Smart wrote:Lol. What for?

You know scum governor getting to LYLO is an instant scum win right?

I almost feel like scum wouldnt have gone for governor because it's such an obviously scummy pick

skitter30 · Post Post #30 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:22 am

In post 28, Kerset wrote:Draft choice is such huge source of information. With double role pick {8,9,10,11} are able to find out which roles were taken by top players. It's obv that both {9,10} are scum.
VOTE: Aaron

Oh? How did you reach this conclusion?

ISO · Post Post #31 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:24 am

In post 29, skitter30 wrote:I almost feel like scum wouldnt have gone for governor because it's such an obviously scummy pick

Probably not. But if anyone, scum or town, did, we need to know about it.

skitter30 · Post Post #32 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:25 am

V true

skitter30 · Post Post #33 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:26 am

Also flub why are you voting ss rn?

Sujimichi · Post Post #34 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:45 am

VOTE: Wooper

Billy Pilgrim · Post Post #35 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:57 am

In post 31, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 29, skitter30 wrote:I almost feel like scum wouldnt have gone for governor because it's such an obviously scummy pick
Probably not. But if anyone, scum or town, did, we need to know about it.

Sorry folks I'm going to miss most of today and tomorrow for work reasons. I will be back in tonight for a bit, but I'm apologizing for missing a decent bit of RVS.

I think Governor is probably an instant scumclaim. Wasnt it paired with 5shot JOAT? Who would take governor over that?

Flubbernugget · Post Post #36 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:00 am

In post 27, Something_Smart wrote:Lol. What for?

You know scum governor getting to LYLO is an instant scum win right?

Town governor in lylo is an instant town win too

Flubbernugget · Post Post #37 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:02 am

In post 33, skitter30 wrote:Also flub why are you voting ss rn?

Scum trying to nk a way to out them if they quickhammer

Flubbernugget · Post Post #38 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:09 am

If it's a role that you're only going to see scum pick why would you waste breath trying to solicit a claim?

ISO · Post Post #39 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:10 am

In post 36, Flubbernugget wrote:Town governor in lylo is an instant town win too

No it's not? Scum aren't going to quickhammer if they don't know if there's a governor.

ISO · Post Post #40 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:11 am

In post 38, Flubbernugget wrote:If it's a role that you're only going to see scum pick why would you waste breath trying to solicit a claim?

I'm at work, I have plenty of time to waste. Especially compared to all the incredibly productive things I could have been doing on page 1...

Flubbernugget · Post Post #41 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:12 am

In post 39, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 36, Flubbernugget wrote:Town governor in lylo is an instant town win too
No it's not? Scum aren't going to quickhammer if they don't know if there's a governor.

...which is why they'd want the governor to claim, so they can guarantee that's not a possibility

ISO · Post Post #42 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:15 am

Sure, that's fair. It's slightly more convenient to scum if the governor claims before LYLO.

However it's also materially more important to town, especially if the governor is scum.

ISO · Post Post #43 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:16 am

Like you took what I did and assumed a scum motivation with a tiny benefit rather than a town motivation with a significant benefit.

Flubbernugget · Post Post #44 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:20 am

I don't think not having quickhammers in lylo is a tiny benefit

It's not the auto I imagined though

Shit

UNVOTE:

ISO · Post Post #45 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:24 am

It may not be tiny, but the way I see it, if there's a TvT vote in LYLO after massclaim, that voter's not likely to change their mind (although it can happen), and so even if the person they voted is lynched (not quickhammered) and it's governed onto scum, they're still probably going to vote them again.

This is of course a simplification, but regardless, I don't think that trying to fish for, and subsequently NK, a governor (which is a hella scummy pick) is at all a smart mechanical play with this many strong roles running around.

Flubbernugget · Post Post #46 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:28 am

What do you mean by governed onto scum?

Sujimichi · Post Post #47 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:37 am

In post 46, Flubbernugget wrote:What do you mean by governed onto scum?

The Governor role in this setup is allowed to change the lynch to another player, not just stop it.

1-shot Governor
~ Once the game has entered twilight (the final hammering vote has been cast) you have 24 hours to change who is being lynched. You may only do this once.

Flubbernugget · Post Post #48 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:39 am

Oh, duh.

I read that going through the op too

ISO · Post Post #49 (ISO) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:40 am

Yeah.

You're not wrong about it being a scary role. But it's scarier for town than for scum.