Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[RadiantCowbells]

I called you scum because, again, I don’t think there’s basically anyway that after having seen this much material from me you could be sincere in scumreading me. I don’t think you’re that bad as town. If I’ve overestimated your abilities, I’ll remember it for next time.

If I'm this good you all should be listening to me btw

[Menalque]

Town!RC doesn’t need to try and sell the idea I was unreasonable around him if he honestly thinks I’m scum. Scum!RC absolutely does need to do so to try and sell the idea that we should ignore everything I’m saying after I townflip.

That’s not very in line with his earlier “I’m obviously getting mislynched if I am wrong” position from earlier, and the reason is that scum him CAN’T maintain that position because it’s losing.

I literally set up a game plan for town to win if you flip town without relying on me. You kept discrediting my scumread by bringing up the Oh Lynch and have abjectly refused to townread anyone enough to assign them the backup townblock.

You're calling me scum for something that I didn't do but that you did and I already called you scum for.

I don’t trust anything you set up for shit because you’re scum and obviously setting something up for the case where you can’t get enough distance off my mislynch to mislynch someone else in 5p ftw.

[RadiantCowbells]

I find it kind of sad and pathetic that when I said that I had pneumonia it energized you to fight back harder because you knew I wasn't at full strength.

[Menalque]

I called you scum because, again, I don’t think there’s basically anyway that after having seen this much material from me you could be sincere in scumreading me. I don’t think you’re that bad as town. If I’ve overestimated your abilities, I’ll remember it for next time.

If I'm this good you all should be listening to me btw

Stop misrepresenting this argument. The argument is that if you were town they should listen. As you’re scum, who is pushing town, they should not. And they should know that’s the case from how obvtown my slot was to everyone in this game before you repped in. All people need to do is have a look back and see.

[RadiantCowbells]

Town!RC doesn’t need to try and sell the idea I was unreasonable around him if he honestly thinks I’m scum. Scum!RC absolutely does need to do so to try and sell the idea that we should ignore everything I’m saying after I townflip.

That’s not very in line with his earlier “I’m obviously getting mislynched if I am wrong” position from earlier, and the reason is that scum him CAN’T maintain that position because it’s losing.

I literally set up a game plan for town to win if you flip town without relying on me. You kept discrediting my scumread by bringing up the Oh Lynch and have abjectly refused to townread anyone enough to assign them the backup townblock.

You're calling me scum for something that I didn't do but that you did and I already called you scum for.

I don’t trust anything you set up for shit because you’re scum and obviously setting something up for the case where you can’t get enough distance off my mislynch to mislynch someone else in 5p ftw.

Then make your own townblock. And not of people not voting you.

But that would require the gamestate of after you flip to be relevant in your mind, but it isn't

[Menalque]

I find it kind of sad and pathetic that when I said that I had pneumonia it energized you to fight back harder because you knew I wasn't at full strength.

Fuck off RC

[Menalque]

That’s got nothing to do with this, and I’ve been fighting you this hard since you repped in and started your bullshit push

[Menalque]

You don’t get to bring up the fact that you’re ill then say I’m sad and pathetic because I refuse to go “awww, poor ickle RC, guess I should just let him mislynch me”

[RadiantCowbells]

You've objectively put more actual engagement into this since I said that than you did in the rest of the day phase

[Menalque]

I mean I think he's scum too I just don't think Menalque is town

And man I don't want to go through another day of this

If Menalque is town he's been holding his fingers in his ears screaming lalalala I can't hear you since I replaced into the game and reading me in super bad faith

Like he is abjectly, openly refusing to consider evidence that I'm town. He hasn't given a single reason for anything since I repped in, just forming shallow ass reads that scumread people who are going after him. Then to go from that to "you shouldn't sheep RC?"

No he really brought this on himself and like the whole "if Menalque flips scum bit" of norways post definitely points to scum menalque.

This is patently obviously you trying to discredit my SR on you post my flip.

[Menalque]

Should have bolded “he really brought this on himself” too tbh

[Menalque]

You've objectively put more actual engagement into this since I said that than you did in the rest of the day phase

That’s a lie and anyone can check it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like he is abjectly, openly refusing to consider evidence that I'm town. He hasn't given a single reason for anything since I repped in, just forming shallow ass reads that scumread people who are going after him. Then to go from that to "you shouldn't sheep RC?" No he really brought this on himself and like the whole "if Menalque flips scum bit" of norways post definitely points to scum menalque.

except I didn't try to argue it for getting out of a lynch. i brought it up to point out that you're not town.
and even if I did, you're still calling me scum for doing the exact same thing that you've been doing this entire day phase in terms of trying to worm your way out of responsibility for my flip.
i expect to be held responsible in game for you "flipping town" if it happened. i made the game plan to play around that that gives town the game regardless of my alignment.

That’s a lie and anyone can check it.

It's really not.

[DrCirno]

What is there to discredit your SR on RC
When literally nobody else but you and NEE are scumreading RC and haven't changed their stance ever since I replaced in at least

[RadiantCowbells]

sorry like I can't say that you "didn't create a townblock" anymore but your "townblock" is literally the two people who haven't voted you or expressed intent to vote you. that's the most shallow basic reasoning of all time.
you've created these really stupid heuristics to justify creating all these extremely shallow reads but the fact is that your reads today have all been level 0 reads that only make sense in the context of not making enemies.

What is there to discredit your SR on RC
When literally nobody else but you and NEE are scumreading RC and haven't changed their stance ever since I replaced in at least

[Menalque]

Like he is abjectly, openly refusing to consider evidence that I'm town. He hasn't given a single reason for anything since I repped in, just forming shallow ass reads that scumread people who are going after him. Then to go from that to "you shouldn't sheep RC?" No he really brought this on himself and like the whole "if Menalque flips scum bit" of norways post definitely points to scum menalque.

except I didn't try to argue it for getting out of a lynch. i brought it up to point out that you're not town.
and even if I did, you're still calling me scum for doing the exact same thing that you've been doing this entire day phase in terms of trying to worm your way out of responsibility for my flip.
i expect to be held responsible in game for you "flipping town" if it happened. i made the game plan to play around that that gives town the game regardless of my alignment.

That’s a lie and anyone can check it.

It's really not.

That’s bullshit and you know it.

The given explanation was that you were using it as further evidence that I was scum. But the subtext, the idea you really wanted to get across was “mena brought it on himself”. I don’t think you’d even try and use this post as evidence once I green flipped, but I think you’d want to get that seed planted early. That I was to blame for my own lynch at some level because I refused to consider town!you, rather than you being WHOLLY responsible for my mislynch, which is the case should it happen.

[Menalque]

And people are welcome to look at the volume of my posting and see that this period is perfectly in line with what I’ve produced in the last couple of days while standing up to you.

[DrCirno]

Also what's funny is that aside from my reads, which are technically my speculations
I've been only telling the facts.

[RadiantCowbells]

like saying that your reads are stupid and don't make sense as town but make complete sense in the context of scum play isn't trying to worm my way out of responsibility.
you bringing up a game where I tunneled town apparently EXACTLY like this (and then scumreading me in spite of it) and making all these dumb posts about how it's the great RCs fault for daring to scumread u absolutely is trying to duck responsibility

[RadiantCowbells]

That’s bullshit and you know it.

thats bs and you know it

Wisdom,

Mafia Goon

[DrCirno]

I'm personally discarding all the pneumonia arguments because it's outside of the scope that I want to mess with.

[RadiantCowbells]

btw when I screwed around with making an Ellibereth style program in C to look for scum i was mostly looking for phrases and posts that scum are significantly more likely to make as town
that specific sentence is one of the most scum indicative sentences that anyone can make in mafia.

[Menalque]

sorry like I can't say that you "didn't create a townblock" anymore but your "townblock" is literally the two people who haven't voted you or expressed intent to vote you. that's the most shallow basic reasoning of all time.
you've created these really stupid heuristics to justify creating all these extremely shallow reads but the fact is that your reads today have all been level 0 reads that only make sense in the context of not making enemies.

What is there to discredit your SR on RC
When literally nobody else but you and NEE are scumreading RC and haven't changed their stance ever since I replaced in at least

No. I know I’m being pushed by scum. Most likely explanation is you + cirno. But I can’t help but be paranoid about joey/suji if they happen to be on the eventual wagon especially when joey has been hard TRing for fuxking ages and so has a weird progression to only now start SRing me —> even if it’s couched in terms of “i could be wrong on mena but I’m not on RC”

I think I’ve been towny enough (HEY EVERYONE, REMEMBER WHEN I SAID YESTERDAY THAT IF ANY OF YOU HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE IDEA OF JOEY AND I ENDGAMING TOGETHER YOU SHOULD SAY AND NONE OF YOU DID BECAUSE YOU ALL HARD TOWNREAD ME? MAYBE REMEMBER THE REASONS FOR THAT NOW) that you cannot get 3 town onto me. That means that in a 4-3 wagon of me vs you, all the scum have to be on me. That conf!towns anyone not on my wagon.

[RadiantCowbells]

doesn't have to be bs/bullshit. that's x and you know it almost always comes from scum. not sure why historically, but it's definitely a thing.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think I’ve been towny enough (HEY EVERYONE, REMEMBER WHEN I SAID YESTERDAY THAT IF ANY OF YOU HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE IDEA OF JOEY AND I ENDGAMING TOGETHER YOU SHOULD SAY AND NONE OF YOU DID BECAUSE YOU ALL HARD TOWNREAD ME? MAYBE REMEMBER THE REASONS FOR THAT NOW) that you cannot get 3 town onto me. That means that in a 4-3 wagon of me vs you, all the scum have to be on me. That conf!towns anyone not on my wagon.

you realize that the fact that no one contested you guys is more evidence that one of you is scum (scum don't have to contest you) than it is anything else?