Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[Wooper]

VOTE: noms

[AaronFrost]

I also don't really like Aaron's angles on nom.

Explain?

[AaronFrost]

@Frost: in his previous scum game Billy hardly interacted with his partner at all, maybe just once or twice. He never pushed or voted his partner, which leads me to believe the likes of Suji and Kerset are Town.

Then I strongly believe that nomx3 is scum here. nom's one of the most active posters here and there's very little mention of her in his ISO.

[Sirfetchd]

I want to see more of it because it is a surface level read, so no pushing you until I have dece evidence to back up the read. It's just the framing and interpretation of responses. It's similar to something I do when I want to force my lynches from a back seat as both alignments. When I see it in others I think have less range than me, I read it as scummy.

[Sirfetchd]

Ok bosses have left for the week. Someone chat with me. I got three hours I can talk game.

[Something_Smart]

Does 1073 read as a scumclaim to you too?

[Luca Blight]

Billy/Flubs/Frost scumteam would make sense, actually.

[skitter30]

We don't even know for sure that Billy is vanilla though? Yeah he was last on the draft list so he's the most likely to be vanilla but that doesn't 'necessarily' mean he's vanilla.

why is this a scumclaim?

[skitter30]

Nom, thoughts on Flubs?

Easy to forget about the guy so your vote makes sense and I approve of it. I could vote there honestly, although Aaron seems like a much better lynch if you forget the "look at the lurkers" angle.

i can see nom/flub

[Luca Blight]

Pg 40

Billy and aaron both look like they lynch is converging on them out of apathy in absence of any solid scum cases

This is the second post I’ve seen of Flubs soft-defending Billy and Frost.

[Luca Blight]

I normally hate such arguments as ‘I wouldn’t play like this as scum’ but I can actually see this one; she probably would have been more self-aware as scum. I feel like giving Xayah the benefit of the doubt for now.

I’m still up for a Kerset Lynch if no-one wants Billy?

I'd be willing to compromise on lynching Kerset but I'm not down for lynching Billy today. I think I'll be able to get a better read on him as the game continues on.

This looks bad, just as the Billy wagon was picking up steam. I don’t seen any good reason not to consider compromising on Billy at this stage.

[Something_Smart]

why is this a scumclaim?

If you stopped and thought about it for two seconds you'd realize that there's no way in hell Billy wasn't vanilla.

So why was this posted?

Well, so Aaron could emphasize of course that there's NO WAY he knew what Billy's role was because they're DEFINITELY NOT PARTNERS.

[Sirfetchd]

I'm not seeing is SS.

And ya those are dece quotes Luca.

I want to know why rb got cop and flub didn't take the slot. Because he also didn't take the next best imo.

[Sirfetchd]

Doesn't mean he isn't scum but I don't see it as a scum claim.

[Luca Blight]

I have to say that 72 hours per prod seems too high, especially when prod dodges are seemingly allowed.

I’m a little confused as to why Frost is so against the Billy lynch. I think even independent of meta he looks very suspect due to the way he is approaching the game, and the fact this is far from his usual town play style supports this. Do you have any reason to think Billy is Town?

It's not so much that I think Billy is going to flip town but more that I think the case against him is weak and mostly meta-based. If I had to make a list of lynch candidates he'd probably be like fourth on the list. If someone were to make a strong case against him then I could be convinced but right now I'd prefer Xayah or Kerset over him.

Says he doesn’t think Billy will flip town but doesn’t want to vote him due to the lack of a good case, but I think the case against Billy was at least as good as the cases against Kerset and Xayah.

The more I look at this reaction, the more it’s pinging me. It’s not a natural reaction to a wagon against someone you aren’t even townreading.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Frost

[skitter30]

why is this a scumclaim?

If you stopped and thought about it for two seconds you'd realize that there's no way in hell Billy wasn't vanilla.

So why was this posted?

Well, so Aaron could emphasize of course that there's NO WAY he knew what Billy's role was because they're DEFINITELY NOT PARTNERS.

:squint:

yeah i'm not sure i see that
it's def not a scumclaim

it doesn't read that way to me, it reads more like aaron doesn't understand the setup and doesn't entirely understand why it's unlikely for billy to be a pr than for him to be faking that imo

[skitter30]

i'd really prefer nom or flub today, i think

[Sirfetchd]

I think it is a bit of a spiral to look at pre flip relational not including flipped scum.

[Luca Blight]

I’m still considering those options as well, Skitter. It wouldn’t surprise me if the remaining scum are in that group of Nom/Flubs/Frost.

[Something_Smart]

Well gee, if only we had a cop to help us figure it out

[Sirfetchd]

I don't see why anyone wouldn't take UB over role cop.

[Luca Blight]

Actually I still think Flubs is the best wagon for today. Probably going to need a claim from him to help clear up his slot.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Flubs

[Something_Smart]

I don't see why anyone wouldn't take UB over role cop.

Scum would probably take rolecop.

[Sirfetchd]

I don't see why anyone wouldn't take UB over role cop.

Scum would probably take rolecop.

Even then I doubt it, simply because UB is such good town utility when the strong PR slots are basically known to scum.

role cop only really has utility in the hands of town in miss claim. I think UB is miles ahead for both alignments.

[Something_Smart]

Well, let's hope there is one, then.